ITT: Westerners coming across the concept of migrant labourers
Neoliberals in a Western Country: “We need open borders so a guy living in Mexico can come up to Alabama and pick all our vegetables every summer, earning below-living wage, because this is economically efficient.”
Neoliberals in an Eastern Country: “Anyone not employed within five miles of their place of birth has been human trafficked.”
shrug What do you even do with this?
First source in the executive summary?
ADRIAN ZENZ
Tells you everything you need to know about this “research paper” 🥱
Its exhausting to see one guy as the focal point of all anti-China criticism.
It just feels like getting all your news about Joe Biden from The Daily Caller.
Apparently not me. Can you elaborate?
Adrian Zenz is a right-wing christian fundamentalist, in his own words, “sent by god to destroy the CCP”. For his mission, he is ready to make up lots of crazy stuff. After he gets proven to be factually wrong or that he does not in any way have any form of scientific evidence for any of his claims, he doubles down on them. His “research” does not follow any scientifically acceptable method. For example, the figure millions of detained Uyghurs came from a sample group of 8 (eight) interviews. So even if you ignore his religious views and his political motivation in his work, the lack of scientific methods makes it unacceptable to cite him in a paper.
Lots of people put lots of effort into debunking his claims. Use a search engine and dig in!
Or use the opposite approach, thats what I did! Around 2019 when Zenz came up with his claims of the Uyghur Genocide, I was so shocked and found them so crazy and unacceptable that I really wanted to learn everything about it and find the evidence, understand whats going on. I had an unfavorable view of China (to put it mildly honestly) and was super motivated. Well… never found any evidence of genocide, cultural genocide, or anything coming close to such things, but it almost turned me into a Tankie, so always remain critical 😊
I looked up Adrian zenz as soon as I received this comment. Zealots aren’t very endearing to me, But since his studies regarding Uyghurs haven’t been disproved, I kind of let the Christianity go.
There’s definitely a cultural genocide happening in xinjiang though, their culture is being dismantled very rapidly.
Camp guards and former prisoners and free citizens of xinjiang all attest to the CCP concentration camps, that uyghurs aren’t allowed to practice their religion or speak their mother tongue.
I don’t understand how you didn’t find any evidence. Do you mean you just don’t believe any of the articles or interviews or documentaries about the Uyghur re-education camps?
This is one of the concentration camps that a BBC News team was allowed inside of:
Either you have a genuine interest in learning more and knowing what’s going on - which will require a little effort and a bit of an open mind to expand the sources you might be used to - or you check a few sites and videos that kinda confirm what you want to believe and then fill out the rest with your assumptions and prejudices.
his studies regarding Uyghurs haven’t been disapproved
Ok, they haven’t. You are interested in the matter and want to learn more about it, right? Then go read his studies, see what they consist of, and see why no one has been able to disprove the findings of Adrian Zenz.
There’s definitely a cultural genocide happening in xinjiang though, their culture is being dismantled very rapidly.
That is terrible then, and you care about it, right? Then go and learn more about it. Learn about the history of Xinjiang and how the lives of the people in that region have changed over the last few decades. Research how Uyghur culture is being dismantled very rapidly.
Find actual proof for what you want to be true.
One last thing, I really never said that there were or are no re-education camps. They played a very vital role in the war against terror. You claiming that I said they never existed, annoyed me.
Anyway, all the best.
Recommendations to start:
- Super casual YouTube-Channel, often about what’s Life in Xinjiang really like. Li Jingjing 李菁菁
- Short current Article: Imperialist media can’t stop lying about mosques in China
- Kinda long read about the War on Terror: Xinjiang: A Report and Resource Compilation, Sep 21, Written By Qiao Collective
You claim that there is no proof for a cultural genocide against the uyghurs.
Right here: “Well… never found any evidence of genocide, cultural genocide, or anything coming close to such things”.
Above, I’ve linked proof provided by the CCP showing uyghurs not allowed to speak their language, practice their religion, and the Chinese officials in charge of that camp saying that they detained innocent uyghurs before they commit crime because they might commit a crime later.
Cultural genocide is the genocide of a culture, in case you find the term too oblique. By indefinitely detaining free and innocent people until they stop practicing their culture and begin practicing the culture approved by the CCP, the CCP is practicing cultural genocide, contrary to your claim.
Strangely(but I appreciate it) you subsequently backpedal and you even agree with me that “uyghur culture is being dismantled very rapidly.”
Yes, thank you, I agree.
I never claimed you didn’t believe in the existence of Uyghur concentration camps; I asked you how, with video and journalistic evidence of the concentration camps(where cultural genocide is occurring), do you still not believe in that evidence of cultural genocide.
cultural genocide
When there is not an actual genocide happening, but you want to smear a country as genocidal, smear people calling out your bullshit as genocide deniers, and when you don’t care about watering down the seriousness of claiming a genocide is underway.
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I am shocked!
Truly an unexpected development. No, not unexpected…Expected. That’s the word I’m looking for.
