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A lot to unpack here, none of which were in the official series’ canon, as far as I’m aware.
- Titans and demons/witches existed at the same time.
- A titan’s size is certainly huge but typically not continent-size huge, and they only grow their size to create more livable land.
- Papa Titan’s body is eventually destined to become inhabitable, and a new Titan is required to create a new livable land.
None of this directly contradicts the official canon, and it’s possible that it’s just Enna making shit up - the current Boiling Isles inhabitants do have a lot of their history wrong, so it’s not farfetched to think that Enna may also have some of her history wrong, too.
But if all this turns out to be true, then it’s a very big deal.
The line between canon and fanon blurred for me a long time ago, but I’m pretty sure the line that witches and demons “evolved from the isles” is on the canon side of things. Then again, with Belos’s history books, who can really be sure?
My question is, if the Titans intentionally laid down to create new land, shouldn’t that mean the old land (or at least uninhabitable remnants) shouldn’t be that far away, right? Unless the sea can decompose bones or the erosion factor is turned up to 11, there should be remnants of past Titans and their civilizations relatively nearby. (Could that island where King was found be part of that?)
But really, I’m just here for Ayzee’s Hootringles
The line between canon and fanon blurred for me a long time ago
Oh yeah, for me as well lol. Canon vs fanon doesn’t really hold any meaning at this point, anyway. tOH is dead, Disney killed it and Mark is pretty much the only new content this series will ever see, so it holds as much value in my head than the real deal. I just like to keep the two as much separated as I can, just in case we get to discuss the “real” series for whatever reason (such as the unreleased pilot that got leaked a few weeks ago).
I’m pretty sure the line that witches and demons “evolved from the isles” is on the canon side of things.
It’s been a while and I have no recollection of this line and I’m lacking the context. If the Isles are the titans, wouldn’t that mean that witches/demons originated from the corpses of said titans, which means, after the titans had already died?
My question is, if the Titans intentionally laid down to create new land, shouldn’t that mean the old land (or at least uninhabitable remnants) shouldn’t be that far away, right? Unless the sea can decompose bones or the erosion factor is turned up to 11, there should be remnants of past Titans and their civilizations relatively nearby.
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing! There must be a place somewhere where the Boiling Isles colonists came from, right?
That being said, it also depends on what time span are we talking about here? If it’s centuries or even millennia, it wouldn’t be too farfetched that the old land got eventually eroded or decomposed by the boiling sea.
I’m just making wild assumptions here, but in the final episode, Luz is shown to be immune to the acid rain thanks to her titan powers. Maybe those same powers keep the “islands” (titan corpses) safe for as long as the titan’s spirit holds and, after the spirit of the titan departs to the stars, that’s when the corpse begins withering away and starts feeling the effects of the boiling sea/rains?
It would explain the cycle of titan dies -> people settles in -> land eventually dies and a new one is needed -> repeat, which doesn’t make sense otherwise. Why would the land turn barren, if not for that?
But maybe Enna is just making as wild an assumption as we are, and we are taking the bait lol
A few cursory searches failed to bring up anything really relevant to that “evolved from the isles” thing so apparently I hallucinated that ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I did find a reminder that the Titan Trapper Island is actually surrounded by a lot of Titan skeletons though (https://theowlhouse.fandom.com/wiki/Titan_Trapper_Island)
The original implication I’m sure is that they were all killed by the Trappers, but I suppose it’s not too unreasonable to play that (at least some of them) were past lands that decayed. And that would actually go with the Titan fully dying to begin to decay (but then they had to leave their own Titan alive for that? The irony lmao)
The original implication I’m sure is that they were all killed by the Trappers, but I suppose it’s not too unreasonable to play that (at least some of them) were past lands that decayed.
I subscribe to the theory that the Trappers haven’t really killed a titan ever (except maybe a few younglings who hatcher centuries/millennia after the old titans died, like King). The way I see it, they found themselves in a land full of titans’ carcasses, and started a death cult and convinced themselves they would kill the titans to help the archivists, but have never actually done anything worth mentioning.
The guy who shows them around (forgot the name, but it’s the one who sent the letter to King) says that he has never seen a living titan, not sure if anyone on that island has. The fact that they had a living titan in front of them and didn’t recognize it is a huge red flag for me.
But maybe Mark is going for a different route, and in his canon, trappers were people who purposefully killed the titans to create more livable land, when the titans would not volunteer to do so themselves?
It’s been a while since I’ve theorised this badly in an Owl House discussion lol
Well there’s certainly much more reasonable than the story we’re supposed to believe lol
There’s no strong evidence either way, but I think it’s pretty reasonable to assume the Titans were already out by the time Belos came around. If he recognized King, I’m sure he would’ve mentioned it. That makes at least around 400 years since the Titans were lost (to Trappers or Archivists or w/e).
If we assume the Trappers are witches and witches have approximately human life spans, then the current Trappers are a good few generations removed from any major Titans. And, if their ancestors did kill the Titans, they’re down to a mere fraction of that power.
There might’ve been a few young stragglers, but not much older than King in the show. Old enough to WEH and take out Bill’s hearing, but not enough to escape a small crowd of hunters
Maybe with very careful planning, the Trappers could get the advantage over a Titan at King’s age in this comic. But anything older? It should be a clean sweep by the Titan. You’d need Archivist-level powers to stand a chance against an adult (/island-sized) Titan
Maybe if the Trappers back then were much more numerous and more powerful, together they could get close to that. But what we see present day? Not even close
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