WASHINGTON (Reuters) -Four more U.S. states on Tuesday joined the Justice Department's lawsuit against Apple Inc alleging the iPhone maker is monopolizing smartphone markets, the department said in a statement. The four states are Indiana, Massachusetts, Nevada and Washington, the Justice Department said. The lawsuit alleges that Apple uses its market power to get more money from consumers, developers, content creators, artists, publishers, small businesses and merchants.
  • Ballistic_86@lemmy.worldEnglish
    235·
    11 days ago

    Can anyone explain why Apple is such a target when there are several other companies that truly are a Monopoly, not just popular? They might not have super great business practices, but under capitalism that it not only okay, but it seems to be the default.

    There isn’t a single product they sell that only Apple sells, there is a huge market for smart phones, smart watches, home computers, tablets, headphones, chargers, etc. Being a popular product does not make a company “a monopoly” and if we wanted to just go off market share, Microsoft needs to continue to be pursued, as does Amazon, Google, Disney, Comcast, the single other ISP in your region of the country, your power and water utility companies, every chain restaurant, most places that cut men’s hair.

    Why go after Apple specifically when there are many companies to go after? Because people don’t like them? Do you like your power company? Tough shit, they are the only game in town. Do you like your ISP? Tough shit, you have two options and one is the worst DSL connection you’ve ever seen. Did you like any of the 20 streaming options in 2018? Tough shit, 12 of them merged into 3. Want to buy a computer in a store? Better like Microsoft or have the ability to install and maintain a new OS (is Linux the only other option?)

    I’m not saying Apple is amazing or they have good business practices. But there are far more insidious companies where there simply isn’t many or any legal alternatives.

    • Xatolos@reddthat.comOPEnglish
      29·
      11 days ago

      Apple makes it hard, if not impossible, to leave their ecosystem. And they are a large enough entity (in the USA where this is based) to use and abuse this size and influence.

      With Android, if i don’t like Samsung, i can use Google, Motorola, etc. Same with Windows. I can buy Microsoft Surface devices, or Dell, HP, etc. I could also buy a Linux computer, Chromebook, Macbook, Android tablet, iPad, etc…

      With iOS, it’s Apple or nothing. This makes Apple a gatekeeper, and a dangerously strong one. For more and more people, their “computer” is their smartphone, and with iOS, Apple is the first and final word. Want to sell to an Apple user digitally, Apple must get a cut, and they must approve of it. This just further empowers Apple, as they have more and more power and sway into what can and can’t be done. Combined with the fact as I mentioned that Apple makes it so hard to leave them. It is this size and power that makes them a monopoly, not their popularity. It’s the same thing that happened to Microsoft with it’s monopoly lawsuits. It wasn’t they were “just popular”, its they used their size and power to limit/surpress competition to empower/enrich themselves.

      As for your example of “better like Microsoft”, I do have options, and those options will still allow me to leave them easily and non-painfully, or at least if I still use Windows I can use apps regardless of what Microsoft thinks or giving them more money “just because”. Apple iOS doesn’t allow this. As for power companies, ISP, streaming options, these aren’t the same subjects so I’m not going to address them. And before it comes up, no, consoles aren’t apart of this because they are marketed and sold as limited functionality devices. iPhones and iPads are sold as fully functioning devices (see “There is an App for That” and “Whats a PC?” marketing from Apple).

      The USA has gone through this before with things like Bell Telephone and Standard Oil. They were too big and powerful that the only way to fix it was to break them up. The hope is that instead of breaking up Apple like those past examples is to prevent them from abusing their power and size before they get that large and dangerous.

      Also, remember that Google is in the final processes of monopoly abuse lawsuits, Amazon is being sued for monopoly practices, Disney was sued for antitrust a few years ago, and Ticketmaster is being sued for monopoly charges. So, its not just only Apple here. And these are just the lawsuits from the US government, not even including EU nations, other companies, etc…

  • cmrn@lemmy.worldEnglish
    31·
    10 days ago

    I feel like Apple is much less threatening as a monopoly than a loooot of other companies…?

  • redplayer5@lemmy.worldEnglish
    3064·
    11 days ago

    I don’t understand how Apple can be a monopoly if there are other viable choices for smartphones. Are people just bitter about apple or is there some corrupt financial play behind the scenes?

    • RGB3x3@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1034·
      11 days ago

      It’s about the restrictions they put in place on those who have bought their products. They make it extremely hard to leave their ecosystem, overcharge for services, and prevent interoperability with other products.

      They’re only just now allowing RCS to try getting out ahead of these lawsuits. But they still don’t allow side-loading (forcing developers to use their store so they can charge 30% on all sales), don’t allow third-party app stores, and don’t allow third-party browser engines (forcing everyone to reskin Safari).

      Plus, in the US, Apple has 55% market share as just one company. The next highest is Samsung at 25%.

      So yeah, they can play monopolistic games.

    • frazorth@feddit.ukEnglish
      324·
      11 days ago

      So you don’t understand what a monopoly is?

      Because you don’t have to be the only player in the overall game to be a monopoly, just simply big and powerful enough to be unaffected by the other players which fits Apples description.

        • frazorth@feddit.ukEnglish
          15·
          11 days ago

          Precisely. This is why the EU is harder on these companies.

          When you get big enough, there are different rules to ensure that you don’t distort a market by killing competition. That is anti-trust, and that is considered a monopoly.

    • cheese_greater@lemmy.worldEnglish
      291·
      11 days ago

      There’s lots of stuff like enforcing WebKit for browsers, iCloud for background cloud syncing, subscription disadvantages (end trial for competitor = end of period, end trial for Apple = now), giving their 1st party native apps advantageous functionality competitors can’t (yet), etc.

      This is a working list, I’ll be back

      • Julian@lemm.eeEnglish
        112·
        11 days ago

        There’s also general gatekeeping of their developer tools which restricticts ports of software, and not following standards properly (USBc, sms).

      • pivot_root@lemmy.worldEnglish
        41·
        11 days ago

        giving their 1st party native apps advantageous functionality competitors can’t (yet)

        Perhaps one day, other developers may be allowed into the holy land of JIT recompilation.