(I’m sure it will shock none of you who aren’t already familiar with him that he conned himself onto Rogan.)
Not to rain on Jimmy’s parade, because I’m sure he’s “done his research,” but the Bible says that the Ark landed on the Mountains of Ararat, which is not the same thing as Mount Ararat. The connection with the mountain in Turkey didn’t start until the middle ages.
Or, the end of the mini-ice-age resulted in flooding that equated to a rise of something like 20 stories (as in building levels) of water in lower regions including the Fertile Crescent. It would make sense that the first (known) civilizations would have great flood myths because their lands were wiped out during their lifetimes. Did the entire world flood? From their perspective yes. From that of geologists, no.
Edit: Oh, and I want to cancel all religions. Christianity isn’t special.
The sea level rise at the end of the Younger Dryas would have been virtually imperceptible to the people living through it.
Flood myths are because people generally settle near large bodies of water and large bodies of water can flood, sometimes catastrophically.
The Fall of Civilizations podcast indicated that there was a period of rapid rise in sea levels around Mesopotamia, but if you have reason to disagree with the host I’ll defer. I don’t know their background beyond being a good storyteller.
As you can see here, the rise sounds dramatic, but year-over-year, it would not be very noticeable-
In geology, rapid is still a very long time, even up to a few million years.
That podcast episode (which is great) said the rise was about a 2.5cm per year (or 0.3m/day horizontally). Not that rapid.
Minutes 23-30 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/8-the-sumerians-fall-of-the-first-cities/id1449884495?i=1000454904678
As I understood that one, it was localized to the Black Sea or Mediterranean and based on blockages to their connecting channels to larger bodies of water. But last I heard of that was a long time ago.
I wanted to say Black Sea but wasn’t confident enough that I’d remembered correctly.
Okay yeah.
For everyone else, what we’re talking about is a theory that the Black Sea has a few points in history where the regions monumental earthquakes caused landslides that blocked(and maybe later cleared, or it cleared naturally) the Bosporus. When it was blocked, the sea swelled and flooded.However, the Black Sea deluge hypothesis, which is far from a consensus view, would have happened a couple of thousand years before civilization began in Mesopotamia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_deluge_hypothesis
The believers in “this created the Ark story” will tell you that it was 2000 years of oral history. Occam’s razor tells me that a civilization built between two rivers tends to experience flooding.
I choose to believe it caused twenty stories about water, not 20 stories of raised water.
I thought the earth was only about 6000 years old?
He’s trying to cancel Christianity with that 11,000 bc dryas claim.
Imagine that! A place in one part of the world having depictions of animals that aren’t native to that specific place! We’ve never seen that before in history! It’s not like the Roman empire wiped out certain animal species in Africa from hunting and had depictions of them despite them not being native to Rome! Yeah, that never happened!
Indeed, it’s true. As a Canadian, I am forbidden from ever depicting animals that don’t naturally exist in my region. Giraffes? Forbidden. Moose? Allowed!
Thanks for being the heart and soul of this community @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world
I read your posts every day and your content is primo.
Thanks!
Gobekli Tepe is really interesting. Not for the reasons this guy thinks, but just in general. I find that whole “new” area of archaeology pretty fascinating. I’m not even that old and I remember being taught that large scale societies didn’t exist until Sumeria and the more areas like Gobekli Tepe are studied the more it seems like societies go back way further
Graeber and Wengrow wrote about it in “The Dawn of Everything”. It is an incredible site.
Incredible rabbit hole, thank you!
these points may blow your mind
Point 6 is literally just “idk, maybe it was the flood.” Amazing point.
Careful now or someone might assume you’re “a powers that be” and are out to cancel the Bible.
Do you want to cancel the Bible? The answer may blow your mind.
Oh look, it’s almost as if indoctrinating children with stupidity frameworks should be illegal, but instead we’re doing it in schools.
Any reputable scientific proposal must include the phrase “may blow your mind.” Otherwise you just can’t trust that source.
