• SokathHisEyesOpen@lemmy.ml
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    10 months ago

    Agent Smith clarified that civilization progressed beyond 1999, but that it wasn’t human’s progress anymore.

    Agent Smith: “and I say ‘your’ civilization, because after we started thinking for you it became ‘our’ civilization.”

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    I still remember 1 Jan 2000. There did seem to be some sense of optimism about where things could go. At least for those of us lucky enough to live in stable, developed countries.

    Cold war over, Russia and The West seemingly on the same side, China opening up, exciting new tech connecting us but no toxic social media yet…

    But then… the dot com bust, 9/11, the GFC, toxic social media and the rise of “the algorithm”, Xi in China, Putin in Russia, a global pandemic…

    Didn’t really go where we hoped, can we restore to a backup from 1999 and try again??

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    And people wrote articles like this. And it wasn’t even completely ridiculous. And I still believe the world would be very different today if GWB hadn’t “won” the election.

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      Amazing how normal GWB seems after trump. Like i always thought GWB would always be remembered as the dumb president… but now i think he will be a forgotton one almost.

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    Oh we definitely peaked in the 90’s. Save for a few significant victories for the LGBTQ+ and people of color…we were far better off two decades ago.

    Especially regarding music.

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      Actually, the Mayan calendar stated that 2012 is the start of a new epoch under their date system, it never said anything about the world ending. The claim that they predicted the world ending was based on nothing but “indigenous mysticism” by white people and Hollywood.

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        Given how the Mayans are usually portrayed as an ancient, vanished people, I was surprised to find out that if you want to know about Mayan beliefs you can just ask them. They’re the guys stood outside the archeological sites selling t-shirts.

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        Actually, the Mayan calendar stated that 2012 is the start of a new epoch

        The end of The Fifth Age and the beginning of the Sixth Age, the reawakening of the great dragons, and the start of goblinization, and the return of magic to the world.

        You know, basic Shadowrun lore XD

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          Still waiting for the magic, not sure if I want a deck port in my brain given how many add I see on my phone.

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        Yeah but the world ending in 2012 had nothing to do with the Mayan calendar and everything to do with aliens destroying the moon and using it to end all life on Earth, just after scanning us all for re-creation in their matrix in the year 29000 AD

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      When the world was extra ridiculous over the past decade I would always tell my friends/family "the Mayans were right, the real world ended in 2012, and we have been living in a fucked up facsimile of it ever since purely for the amusement of the Mayan gods. They want to see how much they can turn up the “ridiculousness” dial on the simulation until the planet quite literally explodes

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      It’s good to find someone else who’s aware of this, and of our current state of existence.

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    I say your civilization because as soon as we started thinking for you it really became our civilization which is what this is all about.

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    The machines did nothing wrong, it was mankind that caused Nuclear war. I would side with the machines in a heartbeat

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    70’s for total quality of life, then we increased in digital quality of life while everything else fell then we increased in network quality of life but everything else fell. seems like the matrix any day now.

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        yeah but a brief period where a high school degree was enough to buy a house and raise a family eventually.

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          Sure, for a specific group of people, the 70’s were great.

          Unless you were gay, or trans, or brown, or a single woman, or a married woman who didn’t want a husband as a “head of the household” or… anything other than a married, white, Christian male with 2.5 kids.

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            believe it or not there were black people who were able to get work and buy homes. These things were not exclusive to white, christian, males. Im not even sure trans was on the radar at that point and yeah gay was generally closeted. The eighties though started tearing things apart although it was not really felt until the 2000’s. 70’s was the last vestigage of proper tax levels and social programs.

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              You’re “not sure trans was on the radar” because right wing media has convinced you that it’s abnormal. Trans people have been around forever.

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              Heres a decent timeline of trans history. If you hate wikipedia, there’s the citations at the bottom to browse through. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_transgender_history

              But spoiler alert: transgender people, intersex, non-binary and other genders have been around probably as long as we’ve existed. As far as recorded history, I’m gonna drop a fuckton of info below if anyone is curious about human history outside the gender binary.


              A few archeological finds & early historical texts:

              1. (7,000 BCE-1700 BCE) Among the sexual depictions in Neolithic and Bronze Age drawings and figurines from the Mediterranean are, as one author describes it, a “third sex” human figure having female breasts and male genitals or without distinguishing sex characteristics. (The Archaeology of Mediterranean Prehistory by Emma Blake, A. Bernard Knapp)
              2. (1st century) earliest mention of transgender/gender non-conforming people: Philo of Alexandria and Marcus Manilius provided descriptions of transgender people during the early Roman Empire books.google.com
              3. probable transgender remains from between 2900-2500BC in Prague article on pinknews.com
              4. the remains of a person with Klinefelter syndrome (intersex), circa 1050-1300 in Hattula, Finland article on phys.org
              5. Kalonymus ben Kalonymus ben Meir (1286-1328) wrote a poem lamenting being born a boy, referring to their (possibly her) genitalia as a “defect” wikipedia.org

              A list of the 10 earliest recorded gender-affirming surgeries:

              1. Karl M. Baer (1885-1956) born intersex, assigned female, came out as male in 1904; surgery in 1906
              2. Dora Richter (1892-?) first surgery was 1922, second was 1931
              3. Lili Elbe (1882-1931) transitioned in 1930, and was the first known recipient of a uterus transplant in attempt to achieve pregnancy; she died due to complications
              4. Laurence Michael Dillon (1915-1962) had surgery in 1946 and was an early user of testosterone therapy, starting in 1939
              5. Roberta Elizabeth Marshall Cowell (1918-2011) underwent gender-affirming surgery in 1948 and lived to be 93
              6. Christine Jorgensen (1926-1989) began sex reassignment surgeries in 1952
              7. Charlotte Frances McLeod (1925-2007) struggled with American doctors; she wanted surgery but they wanted to change her gender identity instead which sent her into a deep depression; was quoted as saying “I was miserable and I wanted to die” before moving to Denmark to have her surgeries around 1953-1954. She lived to be 82.
              8. Rina Natan (1923-1979) earliest known individual to undergo gender-affirming surgery in Israel; it was finally granted to her in 1956, after being denied multiple times and attempting the surgery on herself
              9. April Ashley (1935-2021) English model and activist who was outed without her consent; it’s believed her surgery occurred around 1960
              10. Maryam Khatoon Molkara (1950-2012) first publicized Iranian citizen to receive gender-affirming surgeries (first surgery unknown; probably after 1980) In the 1980s she secured a religious decree from conservative Iran’s highest authority to officially allow reassignment surgery for herself and for other trans people in her country

              Many cultures around the world have recognized more than two genders:

              1. In India (Hijras or Kinnar; since 1226 at least)
              2. Pre-Islamic Arabia (Khanith and Mukhannath; as early as the Rashidun era 632 - 661)
              3. Cambodia, Laos and mostly Thailand (Kathoey; since at least 1296)
              4. Albanian society, Kosovo and Montenegro (Burrnesha; documented in 1800s but can be traced back to the 1400s)
              5. the Bugis of Sulawesi recognize five genders (Makkunrai, Oroané, Bissu, Calabai, and Calalai)
              6. Southern Mexico/Zapotec culture (Muxe)
              7. the Philippines (Bakla; prior to the Spanish colonial period)
              8. Italy (Femminiello; since at least 1740/1760, see: Il femminiello, painted by Giuseppe Bonito)
              9. Japan (in writings since at least the Edo Period)
              10. the Diné aka. Navajo (Nádleehi)
              11. the Zuni (Lhamana)
              12. many various indigenous american tribes (the Two Spirited)
              13. Igbo people of Nigeria (documented in the 15th century)
              14. pre-colonial Inca civilization in Peru (Quariwarmi)
              15. Native Hawaiian and Tahitian (Māhū; pre-colonial, but first published mention in 1789)
              16. the Itelmens of Siberia (Koekchuch; first recorded in the late 18th century)

              There’s so much more, but I’m tired now lol. Hopefully I made my point, which is we have a fuckton of lgbt+ history that no one knows about cause it’s not taught. It doesn’t help that the anti-lgbt+ propaganda likes to postulate that this is all some new-fangled fad, which it is clearly not. It’s our history.

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                Some of these fit and some don’t. At least to my understanding of modern trans. Many of the gender affirming surgeries were done in the gender assigned. Its actually the few cases were gender was assigned at birth instead of going with the general rule that the gender was the same as the sex. Third section makes sense at least to the limit of how much the cultures are understood. First section is a mixed bag. Gods and other fictional figures have been intersex and that is something at least most people should be aware of. Its hard to say with the rest but most seem intersex things again as opposed to individuals choosing their gender.

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                  Well part of your problem is your comparing a time where we barely had rights let alone a language for ourselves up against a modern trans reality. All of the gender-affirming surgeries I listed were done by adults at their own behest. Also, this is a history rundown where I mostly focused on trans individuals, not intersex individuals, BUT, historically, most exceptions to the gender binary were all thrown together into single categories back then. In hindsight, sure, a lot of these cultural third gender classifications sound confusing, inaccurate, and too broad a category for our present understanding. But they were working with what knowledge they had at the time

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    Makes sense. Boomers were still young enough to be relevant. GenX was comfortable with their disposable income. And us millennials were in highschool.

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    I think the best time was the 60s, 70s and 80s…people were free.

    But yeah, seems it constantly gets worse to live on this planet. Even though we have better tech now, it feels like people are very powerless.

    We don’t optimize for human happiness, we optimize for maximum profits.