You know things are bad when the leader of 12,000 men tried to get one guy in order to surrender to him. Based on Bucha, I understand why they didn’t want to surrender to the Russians.
There was also the whole getting sent to “work camps” thing…
The British ran concentration camps too.
Up to a million German soldiers died in Soviet captivity. Being in Allied captivity was a walk in the park in comparison.
The Reihnwiesen weren’t exactly a walk in the park. But at least they were mostly temporary.
And many millions of Soviet citizens and communists in general were murdered by nazis.
Revenge and justice are two separate things and only one of those brings humanity forward. The whataboutism is pretty dangerous when it comes to justifying the former.
I don’t see anybody denying this here but it’s also not really the topic of the discussion.
Yeah, I think even the most fervent USSR hater should be able to acknowledge their heavy losses in WW2. They may not have won the whole war themselves or anything, but they did make many sacrifices for those battles.
I’d even go so far as to say that if one’s opinions were to lead one towards disrespecting their dead, who were just defending their homes, then one may have an unusually strong personal bias.
Well considering they were with the Nazis until Hitler told them no thanks…
Your point is? We aren’t talking about the British. Everyone knows they’ve done horrible things. But it doesn’t give a pass for others.
Torture camps are awful no matter who is doing it, yes. You are incorrect in inferring that I’m defending either party there.
We are talking about history, Germany and Britain here so go and police someone else’s conversation.
Russians have been on par, or worse, to surrender to compared to the WW2 Japanese for almost a hundred years.
Unlawful killing, warcrimes, and rape are accepted russian doctrine.
And they will call you a nazi if you talk about it. This was barely discussed before the invasion of Ukraine, after which became acceptable to talk shit about them.
I’m pretty sure it was okay to talk shit about Russia before the invasion of Ukraine… they’ve been the bad guy in every movie, show, and video game for like a century now.
My grandparents and their parents suffered greatly under Russians, I was never scared to talk about them in the worst light imaginable
