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Venezuelans seeking asylum in the US who are already living in the country will be allowed to work legally under new rules announced by the Biden administration.
About 472,000 people will be eligible for Temporary Protected Status (TPS) for a period of 18 months.
It follows calls by Democrats to expand work access for newly-arrived migrants.
US cities have been grappling with large numbers fleeing economic and political turmoil in Venezuela.
People must have been living in the US on or before 31 July to be eligible for temporary deportation relief and access to work permits under TPS. If granted, they will be allowed to work while they wait for an asylum determination to be made.
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Immigrants make the best citizens. They actively want or need to be there, so they’re more likely to participate in the less glamorous parts of being a citizen. They build resilient communities, expose their new neighbors to different cultures and experiences, open great restaurants, and are less likely to commit crimes than existing citizens.
We are all better off when there’s a large and diverse immigrant population. It enriches everyone, both culturally AND financially.
We need more immigrants, not fewer.
Immigrants make the best citizens. They actively want or need to be there, so they’re more likely to participate in the less glamorous parts of being a citizen. They build resilient communities, expose their new neighbors to different cultures and experiences, open great restaurants, and are less likely to commit crimes than existing citizens.
We are all better off when there’s a large and diverse immigrant population. It enriches everyone, both culturally AND financially.
We need more immigrants, not fewer.
There are two sides. They also can introduce problems to their new countries that largely solely exist in their home countries. For example, the UK has one of the highest rate of acid attacks, but this is fairly recent problem in the UK. There were all the sexual assaults in Europe in recent years. In North America there is caste discrimination in cities like San Francisco and Toronto. There are separatist/sectarian violence in developed countries which would not otherwise have it. An example from hongkong is sometimes triads will go to other countries and operate there.
Yeah I read about the caste discrimination in San Francisco, it’s a pretty fascinating example. I personally think when you couple the benefits to society as a whole with the day-to-day improvements for individual immigrants, the positives come out waaay ahead of the potential risks. And I think those risks could be mitigated by making deliberate and thoughtful policy–obviously outlandish, I know.
those risks could be mitigated by making deliberate and thoughtful policy–
the problem is that these sorts of problems are never even considered by govts until it’s too late.
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If we’re going to let them in the country, of course we should let them work.
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Good for the US.
"Hey, sorry we spent decades destabilizing your global region to keep your markets ripe for the exploitation and private profit of our capitalists… kinda… ok not really. We would and probably will do that again at some point.
But hey, wanna crash on our couch? Because now our capitalists are more interested in diluting our domestic workforce to suppress domestic wages so, you know, win-win!"
https://time.com/5512005/venezuela-us-intervention-history-latin-america/
I’m for us doing this, it’s something rather than nothing after what we’ve done to them. Just be aware, it’s a good thing being done for the wrong, opportunistic reasons, conveniently flooding the workforce just as labor gains bargaining power, diminishing it, just as the Fed seeks, as they consider an employment market with significant labor leverage “unhealthy.” Crazy how so many Americans honestly still believe the Fed cares about anything beyond making their rich friends richer at everyone else’s expense. I’m of the opinion motivations matter.
If you aren’t a meaningful shareholder, you’re just livestock to them.
Good.
This is the least the US can do after fucking around with their country of origin.
Most of Venezuela’s problems are due to utterly moronic economic and monetary policy in addition to cast corruption at the top. It’s hard to emphasize how incredibly obvious their problems would be from the outset.
Perhaps so, but without the meddling of the US it’s also possible that such governance could’ve been avoided. The kind of government a country ends up with is a result of many factors.
The overwhelming majority of their issues come from their monetary policy choices, such as printing too much, and their failure to invest oil profits when the prices were high into literally any sector other than oil. They failed to do so.
America is a convenient thing to blame but they aren’t responsible for the current economy.
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While I agree there has been a spike in crimes in areas where Venezuelan refugees have gone, saying that the whole country has no culture is very narrow minded.
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Actual patriots want the best for this country, which means getting these immigrants documented so they can work, support themselves, and contribute as taxpayers.
The same can’t be said for those who argue against such policies…
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Although I can’t say it is the best that we are letting in right wingers, if they are going to be here we should be getting them setup in the system.
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Well the US is heavily responsible for their needing to flee Venezuela, so it seems more than fair.
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You live on stolen land.
All land is stolen, humans don’t belong on earth
Why, are we space orcs?
What happened to the native americans is a good reason to keep illegals out.
Then give your land back to them and leave.
The crimes of my ancestors are not my crimes. Thats some communist regime shit, but this is lemmy so I guess I shouldnt be surprised.
It’s still stolen land you’re on. That hasn’t changed. If you’re going to use Native Americans as a cudgel to justify your racism and xenophobia, don’t do it on top of that stolen land, hypocrite.
Well, okay. How about a compromise? The Lakota give the Black Hills back to the Cheyenne, and undo Crazy Horse first.
Sound like a plan?
Turns out the “Noble Savage” is a myth. Stop being so bigoted.
Now you’re just deflecting with a whataboutism because you refuse to acknowledge your own hypocrisy.
No, but you perpetuate their crimes by continuing to exist on the lands they committed those crimes on and while you are advocating for even more crimes against humanity to happen to others, simply for perceived boarders that you do not belong in, in the first place…
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Did you know Donald Trump pardoned the dude who ran the company of the biggest immigration bust in U.S history (for the time)? I’m mentioning it because if you like overnight delivery, fruit, meat, clean hotel rooms, the list goes on, I have some bad news for you. This eliminates an entire pool of people from another level of exploitation and abuse in the U.S. To put it bluntly , this is a good thing.
And Im not Trump nor am I voting for Trump.
This is Bidens admin, not Trump.
My point is the people screaming the loudest about illegal immigration directly profit from it and gas people against it. They literally roll in the money and donate it to the same folks on nightly news talking about the border crisis. If there already in the U.S working to generate wealth for other people, like the rest of us, why can’t they be made citizens to have the same rights as the rest of us?
That doesn’t even make sense. Why would they advocate against something they profit from?
Do you even read what you write?
In NYC, 60k out of 113k are in the cities care. Those 60k arent exactly helping. https://www.fox5ny.com/news/nyc-migrant-crisis-hochul-says-she-had-productive-talk-with-biden
Why would you advocate against something you could profit from?
Because you’re a racist and a xenophobe.
The whole reason that they’re in the cities care is because they can’t work. This solves that problem by allowing them to work. What part of that do you not get?
PS: and posting a link to a FOX news source only makes you look worse.
Yes, it makes perfect sense. In the words of Juicy J “people do strange things for that change, yeah money will do”. Fear is powerful, they say what needs to be said to remain in power. Hell grandma Boebert is on stage yelling about being squeaky clean, but having the full service 15 year old theater experience in Beetlejuice. Then flat out lied about it despite being on tape.
If you have a full workforce of people that can’t strike, labor laws don’t apply, they can’t tell anyone about sexual assaults, injuries, do you think the politicians who are getting cash care? Do you think those kids getting busted working in factories were america kids or undocumented kids?
So why are you arguing for more illegals?
They’re not. They’re arguing for making them legal, which then allows them to work and prevents the possible below the table abuse.
I’m arguing for people not to be exploited.
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That he inherited from Trump… this is Trump’s mess and Biden is just cleaning up the shit, your party caused…
And, you most certainly are voting for trump… no way you are voting for the second had pics of the GOP runner ups… lmao… I find it even more hilarious, you had to make a throwaway account, just feel safe enough to be hateful here on Lemmy… very telling about who you are…
“Do not oppress a foreigner; you yourselves know how it feels to be foreigners, because you were foreigners in Egypt.
—Exodus 23:9 (NIV)”I hope you don’t call yourself a Christian.
I don’t call myself a Christian.
Well, I guess at least you’re just a bigot and not also a hypocrite.
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What? The title indicates they are legals.
To be offered legal status, they would have to be illegal first.
False.
Consider: I fly to a country as an intended tourist.
I approach the customs official and say “I’d like to enter as a tourist”
They look at my paperwork, and approve my visa. I’m now legal. Prior to that I wasn’t illegal, I just wasn’t in yet
Okay, sure, but they were already in the country.
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so racist and xenophobic
I know what you are, but what am I?
Just because someone is undocumented doesn’t make them illegal.
Literally the definition of undocumented immigrant is illegal immigrant. Its an euphemism, that only exists for propaganda purposes.
Childish arguments and redefining phrases just to rationalize your own racism and xenophobia clearly isn’t working here because we are not racist xenophobes who are gonna let you get away with that kind of shenanigans
Give it up.
These people aren’t “illegals” nor are they “undocumented”. They are Asylum Seekers which means that they’ve filled out paperwork and are awaiting a decision on their case. This program, TPS, doesn’t make them “legal”, as in grant them a Green Card or Citizenship, it just allows them to WORK legally while they are awaiting the outcome of their Asylum Case.
To put it in Conservative language; do you want these people to continue living off the State or would you prefer that they find a job and start paying taxes?
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What’s the issue?
It makes the racist, bigoted, xenophobes angry.
Not really a problem, per se.
Because theres limited resources and even NYC cant properly handle just 116k migrants. Theyre going to the feds for help. https://www.fox5ny.com/news/nyc-migrant-crisis-hochul-says-she-had-productive-talk-with-biden
NYC specifically wants migrants to be able to work so they can support themselves. Yet you seem to think this is a bad idea.
Lol
Its encouraging more illegals, when they cant handle the ones they have.
“people”. The word you’re looking for is “people” not “illegals”.
Already, “people who illegally immigrated, are criminals, are entitled assholes, and should be deported”. But I repeat myself, and “illegals” gets the point across.
But you don’t know that they immigrated illegally. All that you can say is that they’re undocumented immigrants. It’s your racist, xenophobia that assumes that they immigrated illegally.
I’m impressed you can call them “entitled assholes” without any sense of irony.
The only problem is that these immigrants couldn’t work to support themselves. This solves that problem.
Your problem is that you’re a racist xenophobe. As I said, that’s your problem.
Well yeah, by definition illegals can’t work legally.
And what race are illegals? I swear, for people who constantly claim racism, y’all don’t know what racism is.
Undocumented persons can’t work legally. You’re the only one claiming that they’re illegal because of your racist and xenophobic attitudes. And that’s pretty rich for you to claim others are racist just for pointing out your racism and xenophobia.
somebody has to pack your groceries for you
Thats classist
So, you think packing groceries is beneath you.
That’s classist AND elitist.
