• Praise Idleness@sh.itjust.works
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    Oh I’m sure pedos are just sending CSAMs via Whatsapp willy-nilly. Not using already very much accessible numerous e2e encrypted methods that can be self-hosted and harder to find/track. We can definitely catch them for sure if this comes to be a thing!

    This is just the laziest excuse for a surveillance. Fuck them.

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    If you don’t have anything to hide, then let them have your privacy. If you don’t, well then, you’re a suspected terrorist or child predator.

    The logic is impeccable.

    Edit: I WAS being sarcastic, but I guess I was getting upvotes from people who like the EU position as well.

    Win-win.

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      I hope they just ignore them and keep the services running. But I also know that’s not realistic.

      Not sure how Signal is going to handle this because they literally built proxies into the app specifically to circumvent this type of legislation.

      Apple and Google will put their apps but it’s trivial to just install it from the Signal website on Android. Or basically anywhere else.

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    Naive. There must be more practical methods to counter child abuse. For example always holding people accountable when they are known to hurt children would be a good start.

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    Criminalization of encryption : the 8 december case

    Op-ed: ʻEncryption protects our rights, privacy is not a crimeʼ

    The beginning of the “8 December” trial is also the judgement of the right to privacy and encryption

    In this case, protecting one’s privacy and encrypting communications is no longer merely suspect, but participates of constituting a “clandestine behavior”, a way of concealing criminal intentions. In several memos, the DGSI keeps on trying to demonstrate how the use of tools such as Signal, Tor, Proton, Silence, etc., would be evidence of a desire to hide compromising elements. And on top of this, as we denounced last June, the DGSI justifies the absence of evidence of a terrorist project by the use of encryption tools itself. According to them, if they lack of elements proving a terrorist intent, it’s because those proofs are necessarily hold back in those much-vaunted encrypted and inaccessible messages. In reaction of such absurd vicious circle, lawyers of a person charged denounced the fact that “here, the absence of evidence becomes an evidence itself“.

    • Praise Idleness@sh.itjust.works
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      how the use of tools such as Signal, Tor, Proton, Silence, etc., would be evidence of a desire to hide compromising elements.

      I tried to write about how stupid this statement is with logical explanation but this doesn’t even deserve that. If that goes anywhere near the actual law enforcement policy, that is no longer a free country.

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        I offer an alternative service to having a wallet. I securely hold on to the contents of it and let you use the cards in it whenever you want, helps protect from theft, etc.

        Oh you don’t want to use this service because there’s no need for someone else to have access to your wallet? What are you hiding? Clearly you’d be using the service if you weren’t also doing something illegal.

        I’d extend the metaphor further to highlight that there’s no such thing as a secure backdoor, but this is just the same shit police-state authoritarianism we’ve been seeing grow in the UK since Thatcher—surveil fucking everyone, in every way possible whilst they do absolutely anything; because you’re not a citizen, you’re just a criminal or potential criminal.

        And we’ve got a load of shitty news outlets making idiots clap every time their rights are eroded, because this time it’ll stop the paedos and terrorists for good. Like all the other times.

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    What’s stopping someone from just sending public keys or something through Signal and encrypting their messages that way? There’s no way to enforce this with such simple loopholes present. We shouldn’t be focusing on breaking privacy and instead invest in helping existing victims in ways that actually matter.

    • Norah - She/They@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      Whilst I agree with your sentiment, this isn’t how end-to-end encrypted chats work. Otherwise, it would be impossible to know the messages you’re receiving are coming from the person you think they are.

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        I suppose you’re right, but forging that kind of thing would be difficult, also considering the PKI already in place. If someone has their own email server and they sign/encrypt their email, and host their public key on a key server somewhere, it’s highly unlikely that all three would be compromised. and even if that fails, you could just meet up with them and exchange flash drives with keys.

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    How does this affect people self hosting an encrypted chat service? Would those people be at risk of a police raid or something?

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    Acts of authoritarian control always claim to be done “for the children”. They don’t care about children, they want control.

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    what did you think would happen when unelected elites start appointing Commissioners for Truth?

    After all, as many were keen to point out during the EU/Musk row, there’s no free speech in Europe so why should there be private speech?