I am tempted to start using the @Vivaldi browser but then I looked* at the diversity in the underlying technology and I think it is better to promote and start using @firefox :firefox: more.
Or should we leave it to #Google :omya_google: and #Apple :apple_inc: only❓
I’m curious 😅 @Vivaldi why not use SpiderMonkey and Gecko❓
*Table was created with the help of #Bard
Vivaldi is not fully open-source
it’s source-available
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Your moms source available.
(Sorry… I’m feeling goofy today)
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Firefox + uBlock Origin is the only thing that makes mobile browsing tolerable. Ads are so bad, and web design so poor, that even if you’re someone who is usually ok with advertising you’ll often find that sites are literally broken if you allow them to render.
You can use Cromite (Bromite fork) or Kiwi Browser as well if you’re on Android
I believe those are both Chromium, right? I’m suspicious that when manifest v2 support ends in Chromium it will kill ad blockers across the Chromium market.
Cromite uses some built-in adblocker based off ABP and doesn’t have extensions
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Safari isn’t open source but there’s Gnome Web.
It’s built on the open source WebKit engine.
also yeah you made a mistake there. webkit is in fact foss.Avoid proprietary software.
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Google Chrome, Opera, Microsoft Edge and Vivaldi are not open source. Chromium is open source but all those browsers add additional proprietary functionality on top.
Edit: I read the table wrong. The open source columns seem to be about their left column. Still, I find the table to be misleading. Especially since almost all browsers use an open source engine, except Safari. Imo it’s more important whether the actual browser is open source. Which boils down to Firefox and Tor and Brave as far as I know.
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The term open source includes the right to modify and distribute source code. Only being able to audit code is called source available.
Yes, Vivaldi is certainly not as closed as Chrome and is privacy respecting while Edge is the opposite. But if we’re strictly talking about open source they aren’t there. If they’d change the license to an open source one I’d probably given it a go a few years ago. Only being source available stopped me.
were opera is open source lmao
most of that list is not opensource, only firefox, everything has just chromium as opensource, what don’t change anything because the company can put the same crappy on top of chromium
I mean the list never said that the browser is opensource. The opensource column is for the respective technology to the left of it. So it describes if the js and browser engines are opensource.
I used to use Opera back when they had their own JavaScript and rendering engine, then bailed and switched back to Firefox when they became a chromium clone.
You can use Floorp, which is a soft fork of Firefox with Vivaldi features
That’s a weird chart in the thumbnail.
Almost all of the common chromium based browsers, but only mainline firefox.
Anyway, it’s definitely a good thing to use more than just the chrome based browsers for the exact reason you said.
However, vivaldi is a decent choice for when you need to. Yeah, their ui isn’t open source, but it really doesn’t matter in real world use. The only other option for me is ungoogled chromium, and cromite on android.
On android, my main browser is mull, with Iibrewolf on PC. I can’t say any non chromium browsers are perfect on android, but mull is plenty fast and does everything you want it to do, and doesn’t do what you don’t want.
Probably because chromium based browsers are often marketed as completely separate ones. Browsers based on it want to make the impression that they are a unique browser with outstanding functionality etc.
Edge? It’s Edge, OUR BROWSER, YOU DON’T NEED ANYTHING ELSE.
Vivaldi? It’s Vivaldi, “we built the best browser with most features blabla”.
Opera? It’s Opera, “better, faster and more secure than a default browser”.
In contrast, librewolf.net’s first sentence is literally “A custom version of Firefox…”. Mullvad also says it’s a collaboration with Tor, and a paragraph down they explicitly say it’s Tor, and therefore FF, based.
Many users, me included, don’t see Librewolf or Tor as separate browsers, because the former is basically just a preconfigured FF, and the latter adds an access point to the Tor network and removes some privacy/security harming features (eg. Sync). The Browser, its features, design and features, stay the same.
Maybe Gecko still hasn’t become embeddable again❓:
https://www.chrislord.net/2016/02/24/the-case-for-an-embeddable-gecko/For the Vivaldi choice : https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-browser-vs-google-chrome/#Whats_in_an_engine
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We had that monopoly thing with ie already and it was marvelous when, for a short time, you developed for a perfect score with the acid test.
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https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/
awhile now, about 2008
Personally I’m hyped for Servo
I think it’s years off until it’s usable though. Their current focus is on embedded devices iirc because no engine does that well
Sure but it’s something to be hyped for.
Yeah for sure
@PropaGandalf Didn’t know @servo , looks interesting
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