• HobbitFoot @thelemmy.club
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      1 year ago

      It becomes even worse if you point out that a preemptive invasion of a weaker nation due to a fear of attack is the same justification that the USA used for the invasion of Iraq.

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        The difference is that in the case of the US that was a lie. And Ukraine being a US proxy is not actually the weaker party in this, Russia is because they don’t have the full backing of an alliance like NATO behind them. So Russia was entirely justified in feeling threatened by a militarized russophobic Nazi regime, not on the other side of an ocean but right on their border, wanting to join a hostile military alliance who openly declare that their principal enemy is Russia.

        People who try to draw superficial comparisons between Ukraine and Iraq are lying by omission because literally everything about this is different.

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          1 year ago

          So if Ukraine couldn’t defend itself due to US support, then the comparison would have been accurate?

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            1 year ago

            If Ukraine couldn’t defend itself due to US support, there would have been no war in the first place.

            The threat of NATO having bases ON the Russian border is why this war is happening.

            But don't take it from me, take it from this guy

            Or better yet, how about the CIA?

            They knew in 2008 that this was THE red line for Russia, then laughed and crossed it anyway, and it played out EXACTLY as their analysts said it would

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              And there are no NATO bases currently in Ukraine nor was there support for Ukraine in 2008 to repel Russian aggression. So it might have been a strategic worry for Russia, but nothing ever came of it.

              And it comes back to my original point that the war was pre-emptive attack on a weaker sovereign nation for the stated purpose of defending the stronger nation from possible attack. This war has Bush doctrine all over it.

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                1 year ago

                Are you talking about 2014, when the U.S. orchestrated a coup in Ukraine, and Crimean residents were overwhelmingly in favor of joining Russia, foreshadowing the following decade of low-intensity civil war leading up to the current war?

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                  1 year ago

                  Then would that justify France invading Niger after the Niger coup due to geopolitical reasons?

                  And these votes only seem to happen immediately after an invasion without any international observation. Or are you going to freak out when I point out this is how the Sudetenland got annexed.