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This shit is really dangerous too, because the blowback weakens actual anti-Semitism accusations and strengthens actual anti-Semitic groups.
Come on, Israel is itself already almost anti-Semitic. They have that picture of the reborn Hebrew nation, and actual history and culture and language of really existing Jewish communities and groups they care about only when that serves that goal. If those communities and groups are underrepresented in Israel itself - may even be hostility.
that picture of the reborn Hebrew nation
The what? EDIT Oh you mean like, the way they sort of imposed their own European-Hebrew onto local Semitic people.
Also, I know Israel is certainly racist, with mostly white faces in high places. Their colorismo is basically the same as Latin America - in fact there’s a very interesting history of technological and cultural exchange between racist Latin American dictatorships and the Israeli state.
Well, you know, the resurrection of the Hebrew language after a couple centuries (EDIT: late to fix it, I meant millennia, but was frankly already drunk to notice) it was dead.
There were and are neo-Aramaic (language closest to Hebrew, only it never died) speaking Jews in the world and in Israel, but making that the official language wasn’t sufficiently epic and those were, as you correctly pointed out, brown people for Zionist leaders back then.
They love Masada story so much (its defenders spoke Aramaic), openly do that re-Judaification of Jerusalem etc.
I mean, I don’t understand why you’re surprised.
More than a couple centuries - but dead isn’t quite right. While it wasn’t spoken in most Jewish enclaves, it was still used in all religion and quite a lot of commerce and literature. Most practicing Jews knew Hebrew, even if they did not use it in daily life. Jews from different countries often used Hebrew to communicate - mostly in writing because it was the common language they would both know.
Books have been published in Hebrew more or less continuously, including the first printing press in in the Middle East (now in what is Israel) in 1577 printed books in Hebrew.
Hebrew has never been dead - it just wasn’t used because most Jews lived in countries that spoke other languages that Jews learned and often created pidgin dialects like Yiddish (and others).
It is not like a bunch of zionists taught all the worlds’ Jews Hebrew, but if you put a German Jew and a Russian Jew in the same room, the only language they would both know is Hebrew.
I’m aware of that all, also yes it has been dead. Like Latin or Ancient Greek.
It is not like a bunch of zionists taught all the worlds’ Jews Hebrew, but if you put a German Jew and a Russian Jew in the same room, the only language they would both know is Hebrew.
Yeah, if you put a German Jew and a Moroccan Jew, your results could have been not the same.
Still analogous to Latin, though. Like if you compare Latin in Italy to Latin in Poland.
pidgin dialects like Yiddish (and others).
Yiddish is definitely not a pidgin, it’s a pretty functional Germanic language, and not too much further from Standard High German than German casually spoken in Vienna.
Actually it’s much less of a pidgin to German than neo-Hebrew is a pidgin to Hebrew.
It is not like a bunch of zionists taught all the worlds’ Jews Hebrew
There were competing views of the future of European Jews as a culture and what modernity will be for them. For some the modern language to be standardized etc would be, again, Yiddish.
The difference between Hebrew and Latin was that only the Catholic clergy and intellectuals wrote in Latin.
The average Jewish kid could read and write in hebrew. Even if it wasn’t spoken.
Even in Morocco, the dialects spoken were often written with Hebrew characters - including a dialect of Arabic written with Hebrew characters.
They also would have more than a passing knowledge of Hebrew, obviously.
Well, obviously, knowing the language sufficiently to pray and sufficiently to converse in it deeply on various subjects are two different things.
To pray you actually don’t have to know it that well. A Russian being able to say a prayer in Church Slavic doesn’t know Church Slavic, likely. Same with an Armenian and a prayer in Grabar (though that’s an archaic form of Armenian, so some sense will get through).
These are bad examples, because Russian is related to Church Slavic (though it’s a South Slavic language) and Grabar is the classical form of Armenian.
But you can think, again, of a Pole or a Catholic German who can say a prayer in Latin, but doesn’t speak Latin.
And knowing the alphabet is not the same as knowing the language.
So nothing obvious in that. Kids from Rabbinic families and in general with good Jewish education would, of course. Just like kids from good families in European societies would learn Latin, Ancient Greek, and probably also Hebrew.
What you’re missing is that anything easier, even more palettable to Palestinians and some others to learn, than straight Hebrew was thrown aside when it would have been a zero-cost, high-reward route to enabling the single-state solution that they claimed to want.
Instead, they otherized a chunk of the Jewish population that was about as large as the Palestinian population that they sought to eject, and Jews that were already closer to or in Israel no less!! Jews that would have gladly introduced new-comers to the new neighbors!! It was a nail in the coffin for any goal besides that of an ethno-state.
They are antisemitic; the Palestinians they’re exterminating are semites. Zionism as a movement is steeped in antisemitism; a lot of literal nazis were strongly in favor of it and that’s coming from a group who genuinely wanted them all dead. That should tell you something.
I agree in the sense that emotionally Israelis communicate contempt, scorn, disdain for weakness and all such things.
Which is also why talking about Yiddish culture with someone from Israel is kinda hard. Taking an interest in it means putting yourself on a different place emotionally.
It’s understandable to not be pleased putting yourself on a place of a community which has been treated as a lower caste for centuries, spoke a jargon of the language of surrounding Christians which would treat it as such, and is associated most of all with being victimized.
But allowing that to prevail means being really insecure as a society.
I am getting really tired of these right-wing dictatorships trying to play the “discrimination” card whenever their governments are criticized for their heinous actions.
“Calling us out on our in-progress genocide is anti-semitism sweaty” goddddddddddddd i despise settlers
Who cares? The very existance of Isreal is anti-semetic. The colonizers tricked way too many of the world’s Jews into making themselves targets, as if hoping to one-up the holocaust.
I’m sure there are plenty of other words for hating on Jews outside of Israel once anti-semetism is forced to mean hating-Israel-and-not-even-individual-citizens-of-just-their-government-and-its-supporters.
Here’s hoping the majority of Israeli’s, who DON’T support this bullshit, manage to oust Natenyahu-and-friends, and move towards un-fucking the situation while there is still something more to “the holy land” than bunkers and grave-yards.
Don’t put-up with Israel’s gaslighting.
I used to support Israel.
As an Englishman, whose identity I don’t remember pointed-out, years ago:
IF the Jews of the region have a moral-right to their own homeland, THEN so do the Palestinians.
EITHER BOTH OR NEITHER-DO.
Once someone has proven they are only narcissistic-machiavellian-sociopath/psychopath, through their nihilistic obliteration of other’s lives, and much more, and throught their sadism,
they have ZERO claim on God, on “scripture”, or on “validity” or on Truth.
The old rabbis ( find some interviewed on youtube! ) who call-out Israel & I stand together in contempting their lies.
KNOW gaslighters for what they are, & deal-with-them as such.
Rabies is rabies.
IF the patient can be got sane/healthy, then help 'em do that, but if not…
then don’t let 'em infect you with their rabies.
( & that goes also for Hamas’s terror-strike, too: both sides have crossed the line into worshipping nihilism/mass-murder, while claiming God, sadly )
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It’s hard to accept that Israel has the same kind of right to it as Palestinians.
Every displaced Palestinian has a home address they were forced out of, and had his home stolen by someone who felt that being Jewish gave them a right to be present in the land (sure) but also to a particular parcel of land that already belonged to particular individuals.
Zionists will tell you that most of the land was acquired legitimately. That’s an exaggeration, but some certainly was. Enough of it was outright stolen to make hundreds of thousands of refugees. I’m a one stater; there is enough room for all in the region. To the Zionist, it isn’t about a right to be there. It’s about the supposed right to dominate the land through demographic control - i.e. ethnic cleansing.
The closer term is Anti-Zionist.
Anti-Zionism is against the formation of Israel.
Anti-Semitism is hostile against Jews.
Israel has been successfully equating Zionism with Semitism for so long that very few use the term anti-zionism and people can call each other racist and silence others who’s arguing about Israel.They know what they’re doing. They’ve been deliberately equating the two in order to shut down any criticism of Israel.
What possible reason could South Africa have to oppose an apartheid state? Must be antisemitism!
