At some point you have to just beat on these authoritarians. The only thing they know is violence. Sure, try peaceful protests first, but don’t stop there if it’s not getting the job done.
The paradox of tolerance – those who break the ‘social contract’ deserve no tolerance from the otherwise tolerant, otherwise they’ll just run roughshod over everyone. I hate violence as well and have no stomach for it, but it does seem there may be no other way to stop regimes like this.
As always, it’s not that easy
First you would.do well to read up on the history of Iran, especially the involvement of the US in basically creating Iran as it is today.
Once you got that down, you have got to understand how religion and culture works there. Simply saying “kill the masters” won’t work, we did that with Saddam Hussein and after wars and deaths, shit was and is worse.
A LOT more will be needed to change counties like these for the better, and simply talking about breaking the paradox of tolerance won’t do.
No, you’re totally right – there’s no easy way out of this. But how does one work towards a peaceful solution, and overcome multi-generational, cultural, ‘religion’-based attitudes shaping foreign policies (I place ‘religion’ in quotes because I believe that religion is just used, by all sides, as justification for intolerance and abuse of power) that insists on conflict? BTW I’m referring to both Iran and the ‘Western Powers’ here.
Simply trying to ‘kill the masters’ would only create a vacuum for whomever is waiting in the wings to take their place, and just perpetuate the cycle… sigh. I dunno.
Martyr or Murder there is no middle ground. The masters tools will never be used to dismantle his house.
First of all, I respect your point of view and I share your anger. That said, if there’s no middle ground then any bloody revolution will turn into another Reign of Terror. Peaceful revolutions are a fairly recent phenomenon and violent revolutions have historically been shifting the power from violent leaders to violent revolutionaries who themselves become violent leaders. There needs to be a middle ground otherwise, it’s just changing the meat we collectively put in the grinder.
don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
There are places where peaceful revolution is possible and then there’s Iran. When your opposition can and will kill every last one of you there is no time to waste on being civil.
Reporting these incidents makes martyrs of Iran’s victims. I believe the overwhelming majority of people everywhere want justice, human rights, and peace for everyone. People are affected by news like this.
We live in a global society. The NGOs and governments that work with Iran give them the resources that allow this kind of power imbalance to begin with. The good and imperfect way is unfortunately martyrdom, journalism, organized resistance, and patience through the horrors for peace to come.
In every war both sides gain their own martyrs, and that’s what makes so many of them perpetual even after the fighting stops. That’s not perfect or good.
Religion of peace at it again.
People abuse other People. Concepts and ideas do not. Religion is not remotely involved in anything a fundamentalist does except as their excuse.
It adds nothing to the world except an excuse for suffering.
Where as Religion is the only reason we have most of the ancient texts we have since the monks copied them, your claim is patently false. In addition to the suffering being exclusively done by People often against the direct instructions of their religion’s teachings, perhaps you bias need a bit of fine tuning.
A good reverse example would be the old testament, which speaks openly of killing sodomites, but western cultures are by far the most progressive on gay rights; even the vatican itself is more tolerant than much of the world.
Can’t take a book edited for political reasons literally. Example: the religious prohibition to pork was about Cholera and not an edict from on high.
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yup. Did you have a point?
Religion is not remotely involved in anything a fundamentalist does except as their excuse.
How does this not apply to literature? Without religion people would still be brutally murdering each other, but they wouldn’t have written anything down without religion? How does that make sense.
Never stated anything of the sort. But then the fact that you obviously are unaware that there once was no printing press and all copies of any text we very expensive to make thus only the devotion of certain religious sects allowed us to have ancient written works. So it makes sense that you don’t understand the statement.
It is the vehicle of their abuse.
You ain’t walking across the USA, but you can easily drive it in 3 days.
Not relevant as it is just their excuse and beard, in no way the vehicle.
Oh, and you certainly can walk across the USA as People have done so. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_who_have_walked_across_the_United_States
You know what I meant. Imagine if the list of fundamentalist psychos was the same length as the walked across the USA list, compared to the possible list of people who drive across.
Religion is a catalyst, an enabler of violence. It provides a framework, and a justification. This empowers those who would otherwise bite their tongues to act.
So, an excuse, exactly as I stated. Thanks for thinking it through.
Yawn. You have limited abilities for reasoning. Good luck out there!
<yawns /> You have limited knowledge and experience thus must resort to childish insults in an attempt to compensate for your lack of wit. Study more out there.
Fucking backward degenerates.
Huh. Turns out wanting a theocracy in your country because you were tired of royalty was even worse for everyone.
To be fair, the CIA pretty much made that happen, not the people.
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OK I’m just saying we may have found the silver lining in the israel-Gaza war.
Iran has so many irons in the fire right now,they can’t focus on them all, and this movement might get another chance.
Probably not but it’s nice to dream
Fuck their religion. And they wonder why the US wants to spread western values.
Their values have no place in this world. None. It’s not “culture” it’s exerting control over other people who have no recourse. It’s an invalid way to live
Not so different from other extreme religious positions, like hate and violence towards LGBT or removing personal freedom with banning abortion coming from Christianity. Or Hindutva terror coming from Hinduism.
Christianity would do the same if given the same level of power. All theocracy is evil.
