During the pandemic they had to choose between go remote or close up shop. They didn’t have much choice.

Seems that once Covid stabilized they’ve been trying to force everyone back.

This is why we can’t fix climate change by reducing individual carbon footprint. Because it requires 100% of the population taking it upon themselves to do the right thing and many individuals: -don’t care -don’t have the option

The reason we are getting affordable EVs now at all is because governments are intervening to develop the technology and infrastructure. That’s not due to individual action.

No one said consumers are free of all responsibility.

No one said “oh that Exxon, smh”.

Trying to fix climate change by reducing individual carbon footprint doesn’t work because there are a lot of people that:

1. don’t have the luxury of being able to not use gasoline or solar.

2. Don’t care

3. It requires 100% of the world population to take it upon themselves to do the right thing just to fix the smallest part of the problem.

Fixing it with voting/protest reduces emissions for everyone. The rich, poor, industrial emissions, commercial emissions. All emissions.

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I’m vegan and have had many conversations trying to convince others to go vegan. The only thing I commonly hear is “where do you get your protein”?

I still don’t know what point you’re trying to make.

For me the argument is much easies, as I would do more or less fine with that law, as my lifestyle is already pretty low car.

This is my point. If we try to fix climate change by improving individual carbon footprint, there are some that can do it but many that can not, so it only reduces the greenhouse gas emissions for consumers that can afford it.

Because it is a systemic problem. Not a problem caused by consumer choice.

Consumers don’t care if they use a gas car or an EV as long as it does what they need it to do and it is affordable.

If we just focus on voting and protesting we can create a solution that reduces all emissions, industrial emissions, commercial emissions, consumer emissions, all reduced.

I’m not discouraging anyone from changing their habits.

I am pointing out why the fossil fuel industry is paying marketing firms to come into threads like this and say the same things you are saying:

Because focusing on individual carbon footprint requires 100% of the world to just do the right thing in order to fix a small part of the problem.

While focusing on systemic change requires the voting majority, which is closer to 25% of the population. To fix 100% of the problem.

I’ve never heard those comments and I don’t know what point you are trying to make with them.

To do what? Ban combustion engines to force everybody to change their individual carbon footprint? Any sort of actually massive climate legislation is going to impact a lot of peoples life directly.

You’re arguing that we shouldn’t vote for legislation to prevent climate change because it is going to impact people’s lives?

And instead we should just hope that 100% of the worlds population just does the right thing?

Remember when we tried to get people to wear masks during the pandemic?

That appoach doesn’t work. That’s why the fossil fuel industry is paying marketing firms to convince the public to focus on their individual carbon footprint.

1 persons individual change is not enough to matter. For individual carbon footprint changes to matter you need 100% participation across the planet to fix a small part of the problem.

To make systemic change you need the majority of voters. So around 25% participation to fix 100% of the problem.

I provided my source showing BP hired a marketing firm to get the public to focus on their individual carbon footprint.

So to answer your question of who the shill is: I’d say the person repeating the fossil fuel talking points.

I am not opposed to any of those things they are all good.

I just think articles like this are made to get everyone to focus on the least impactful things, by putting too much emphasis on the individual’s carbon footprint.

Achieving climate goals with the individual carbon footprint approach requires 100% willing participation from everyone on the planet.

Achieving climate goals with a systemic approach requires the majority of the voters, which is closer to 25% participation.

Congrats. Now get 100% of the worlds population to do the same.

Then you will have reduced less than 14% of the emissions needed.

That’s why BP paid a marketing firm to get the public focused on their individual carbon footprint. So you waste your time trying to get 100% of the worlds population to change their individual carbon footprint.

Instead of focusing on getting the majority of voters to protest and vote.

I am saying that the broad public doesn’t care about these issues enough to consume differently or vote for policy or politicians that make their lives less convenient in order to fight climate change

Which is why focusing on our individual carbon footprint doesn’t work. You need 100% participation and not enough people care.

With protesting/voting you can force change with just the majority of voters. Which is around a quarter of the population.

Here is the definition of divesting.

You seem to be confused about what individual carbon footprint is because you’re talking about business choices as if they are an individuals choices.

Business owners divesting has nothing to do with an individuals carbon footprint.

If you can put pressure on your pension provider, local government, church, favourite charity or any other organisation you care about to drop funds with them in entirely then all the better.

This is accomplished by group action and legal/political pressure which is the opposite of reducing your individual carbon footprint. That is the systemic change I am saying we need.

Not telling people they need to walk to work so they don’t burn fuel. Or get solar panels to stop funding coal, when they live in an apartment.

Why wouldn’t they be responsible for the emissions from the fuel they provide? The fossil fuel industry has entrenched themselves and made it as difficult as possible to not use their products. Even to go so far as to influence how our cities are built.

I’d love to not use any fossil fuels but I can’t afford solar panels or a heat pump so I have to either burn gas or my family freezes to death. I have to get my electricity from coal because my family can’t survive without electricity.

I don’t have a choice because of the choices made by the fossil fuel industry.

You don’t know that people use cars to get to work? And get food?

If I were to stop using fuel I would have no way to get to work and earn money. Which means no house or food or anything.

Why does that need to be explained to you?

They are responsible for those downstream emissions because they entrenched themselves and made it so the majority of people don’t have a choice. Even going so far as to influence how our cities are built to make us dependent on them.

Most people cannot afford to get a car let alone an EV. The only reason we are seeing EVs in the first place is because of government intervention.

If the individual doesn’t have a choice because of choices made by the fossil fuel industry then the individual isn’t responsible for those emissions.

So you’re saying you’re plan is for individuals to choose the choice that is not an option?

You’re saying the solution is for everyone to stop using electricity?

Stop driving to work and earning money is the solution?

Buy solar panels without a house to put them on?

This is why the individual carbon foot print doesn’t matter. Because it is a systemic problem. So the large majority of people don’t have the luxury of being able to reduce their carbon footprint. And it is such a small percentage to begin with.

This is why BP is paying a marketing firm to convince the public to focus on their individual carbon footprint.

We need systemic change not paper straws.

“We” as in consumers don’t use enough to hurt companies by divesting.

By all means do anything you can to reduce your individual carbon footprint. But do so knowing it is just a drop in the ocean. Such a small difference that it might as well be nothing.

But if you convince the public that our individual choices can fix climate change then we end up with paper straws instead of systemic change.

I’m not saying to do nothing as individuals.

Just pointing out that the fossil fuel industry paid a marketing team to push the idea of individual carbon footprints for a reason.

100 companies have been responsible for 71% of global greenhouse gas emissions. That means that the remaining 29% of emissions are shared by all the other companies and consumers. Even if you split that remainder evenly between all other companies and consumers, that’s only 14% all emissions being caused by consumers and it’s probably more likely in the single digits.

This is why the fossil fuel industry pays a marketing team to get the public focused on their individual carbon footprint. So you’re focused on the less than 14% of the total emissions instead of the other 86%