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    11 months ago

    As long as an attack happens on NATO territory, it’s considered an act of war. Even if the NATO country is the aggressor. Ideally the aggressing country would be suspended before they could invoke article 5.

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          PP in all examples intermixes NATO with US military.

          In its history NATO article 5 was invoked only once.

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            That doesn’t dispute my comment though? If Poland were to attack Belarus and Belarus retaliated with an attack on Polish soil, they could absolutely invoke article 5.

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      11 months ago

      Unless there is a cover up like happened with those Russian missiles that hit Poland.

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      Imagine how dangerous it would be if NATO was, instead of a defensive pact, a transnational nuclear military helmed by the world’s foremost genocidal empire that marches across Europe via propaganda and coup d’etats towards it’s ultimate goal of encircling Russia and China. What a cluster fuck that would be? In that reality, if a member state launched a war of aggression NATO would probably support it and continue escalation.

      Luckily, we know NATO is a defensive force because it didn’t launch multiple wars of aggression, drop depleted uranium on civilians, and is democratically accountable.

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            11 months ago

            Yes, it is, badly.

            BTW: since lemmy (and obviously lemmygrad) was created by communists. Can you explain to me what’s so communist about Russia that you and others are so fiercely defending? How are they different from that “imperialistic pig” that is the US? Is it because Russia is fascist now?

            Looks to me like you never cared about communist ideology, and it was always about supporting Muscovies and totalitarism.

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              Nobody said Russia is communist, nor is anybody defending Russia here. People are just explaining to you that the reality is more complex than the propaganda narrative you’ve guzzled makes it out to be. The only fascists here are the ones who think that people of Ukraine should be used in a proxy war against Russia by the west. So, maybe stop projecting there.

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                Said the guy with a thumbnail with big CCCP on his forehead.

                Standard bullshit pretending that you care about people, dismissing that Ukrainians are fighting for their right to exist. After the war crimes committed, after Bucha and many other places, after Russia admitted to kidnapping nearly a million of Ukrainian children (textbook definition of genocide), after ICC charges for war crimes.

                But ok, please outline exactly what should be the peace agreement, who gets what (don’t skip any details).

                And second, please tell me how Russia, will honor that agreement, when it broke every single one going back to 90s, including Budapest Memorandum where it signed that it will respect Ukraine’s borders. The one that it broke in 2003, 2014, 2018 and 2022 (when it decided to go after the rest of Ukraine).

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                  The fact that you made a personal attack followed by a bunch of drivel there that has nothing to do with anything I said is really in character fro you.

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                    What personal attack? Are you saying your thumbnail is offensive to you?

                    You don’t answer these questions, because you don’t have a good answer that doesn’t show that you are supporting the genocide being committed by Russia.

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                  @takeda @yogthos I understand where you’re coming from Takeda. But don’t expect rationality from Yogi. He says Ukraine is being “used in a proxy war”. That’s your first hint that he’s a propagandist. Anyone who says the US is helping Ukraine to hurt Russia without mentioning that the ONLY reason the US needs to do so is because Russia has needlessly and baselessly attacked Ukraine, is not trying to speak the truth. Unless Yogi here wants to admit Russia’s attack was the cause? Yogi?

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                    Believing what you wrote takes a brain as smooth as a bowling ball. RAND literally put out a whole study called extending Russia where it outlines a proxy war in Ukraine. US ambassador to Finland openly called it a proxy war, Lindsey Graham said it’s the best money US ever spent on killing Russians. Meanwhile, imagine claiming with a straight face that US is helping Ukraine, what an utter monster one has to be to call this help. You are a deplorable piece of human garbage.

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              It is so odd seeing so many supposed communists defending the fascist Russian state. Lenin is spinning in his mausoleum.