A set of merge requests were opened that would effectively drop X.Org (X11) session support for the GNOME desktop and once that code is removed making it a Wayland-only desktop environment.

Going along with Fedora 40 looking to disable the GNOME X11 session support (and also making KDE Plasma 6 Wayland-only for Fedora), upstream GNOME is evaluating the prospect of disabling and then removing their X11 session support.

Some concerns were raised already how this could impact downstream desktops like Budgie and Pantheon that haven’t yet fully transitioned over to Wayland. In any event we’ll see where the discussions lead but it’s sure looking like 2024 will be the year that GNOME goes Wayland-only.

  • gerryflap
    638·
    9 个月前

    Well let’s hope that massively improves the Wayland experience then. I tried it last week and still had flickering screens, laggy windows, and crashing games. In the current state it would be unacceptable for me to switch

    • echo64@lemmy.world
      381·
      9 个月前

      depends if nvidia care about improving wayland, they don’t really have any reason to care today. Maybe if people start purchasing hardware from their competition enough.

      I’m having a perfect time on intel at least. Though I have no video game requirements.

      • gerryflap
        121·
        9 个月前

        My problem is that I’m kinda tied to CUDA and thus Nvidia. If AMD’s ROCm would’ve been a bit better and supported on consumer GPUs I would’ve went for that.

        But having a non-NVIDIA card in order to use the latest GNOME doesn’t seem reasonable to me. Then again, maybe the pressure will finally make NVIDIA get their shit together

        • cerement@slrpnk.net
          171·
          9 个月前

          considering how willing they were to throw vendors like EVGA under the bus, trying to figure out what pressure Nvidia listens too might be a challenge in of of itself …

        • echo64@lemmy.world
          6·
          9 个月前

          I’m gonna assume you can use Cuda, without driving the display with nvidia. You just need a motherboard with onboard Intel

          • taladar@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            84·
            9 个月前

            That seems like a rather extreme work-around for Wayland proponent delusions. Buying an nvidia card and then not using it for graphics at all.

              • Sentau@feddit.de
                61·
                9 个月前

                Funny that people are downvoting when this is what hybrid graphics in laptops do. The iGPU to drive the display and heavier tasks get offloaded to the dGPU

          • gerryflap
            12·
            9 个月前

            That’s gonna make gaming a lot harder though. And I’m on an AMD CPU. I’m not sure whether it has an internal GPU even. My point is that they’ll lose a lot of users by forcing Wayland. I’m not dure Nvidia will care for such pressure

            • echo64@lemmy.world
              6·
              9 个月前

              Yeah, but kde is also heading down the same path. The world can’t keep maintaining a legacy stack forever just because a private company doesn’t care about the problem.

              I know people want things to just work and don’t care about the rest but the reality is that unpaid volunteers do 99% of the work and I don’t really think they should have to do extra work just because of nvidia. Maybe nvidia users get left behind, that would suck. I hope nvidia choose to fix their shit instead.

              • gerryflap
                22·
                9 个月前

                I agree that volunteers shouldn’t have to maintain legacy just because a private company doesn’t have their shit together. But the reality is that a lot of people have Nvidia hardware. If GNOME and KDE will not work on the most popular gaming GPU brand, we’re going to push away a lot of people who are trying to start with Linux but encounter a broken mess.

                • jack@monero.town
                  3·
                  9 个月前

                  The solution is: stop making yourself dependent on proprietary companies. You always loose if you wait for someone else rather than taking action. If GNOME wants to improve then it’s pointless for them to wait for Nvidia. Even if that means loosing some Nvidia fans

                  • gerryflap
                    21·
                    9 个月前

                    That sounds very idealistic, but not very practical. I use my computer for deep learning projects. Since AMD and Intel are way behind, I almost have to use Nvidia. How would I stop making myself dependent on Nvidia? Give up my hobby/interest in deep learning? Stop playing the games I like? Help with programming a CUDA replacement myself in the very limited free time coding that I have time and energy for? We don’t live in some utopia, it’s often not possible to ditch these companies even if they act like absolute cunts.

                • echo64@lemmy.world
                  1·
                  9 个月前

                  Sounds like you don’t agree that

                  “volunteers shouldn’t have to maintain legacy just because a private company doesn’t have their shit together”

                  you think they should, to avoid pushing people away.

                  • gerryflap
                    1·
                    9 个月前

                    I’m just saying that it doesn’t matter whether we agree or not. If the choice is made to drop X support and Nvidia doesn’t fix Wayland, a lot of people will end up in a mess when trying Linux for the first time and might turn back to Windows/Mac. I agree that no volunteer should do anything they don’t want to do. But in the world we live in that does mean we have a problem

    • Mereo@lemmy.ca
      21·
      9 个月前

      I had the same problems until I switched to an AMD card. Since then it’s been smooth sailing in Wayland.

    • jokro@feddit.de
      5·
      9 个月前

      I had those issues with an old nvdia driver version, bun on the recent ones it works better.