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    3 months ago

    Government officials. Most of these “red flag laws” have zero burden of proof.

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      3 months ago

      That doesn’t answer the question though, who is abusing them? I don’t see a lot of stories of them being abused. Many require a family member or a direct threat to issue so the proof isnt “zero”

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        3 months ago

        That doesn’t answer the question though, who is abusing them?

        I just answered that in the comment you replied to…

        I don’t see a lot of stories of them being abused.

        All depends on where you get your news. CNN isn’t going to report on this. In fact almost no one is going to report on this. Because it’s boring and most people don’t care.

        Try typing “red flag law abuse” into your favorite search engine.

        Many require a family member or a direct threat to issue so the proof isnt “zero”

        And many of them don’t.

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          https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/red-flag-laws-constitutionality-and-enforcement-of-extreme-risk-protection-orders.html

          That’s the thing though I don’t see any proof what you’re saying is correct. Most ERPOs require proof or a statement from a family member (which is in most cases good evidence) so these do have judicial review.

          Only a couple states rely on law enforcement only (Indiana and Florida). And outside of california all arms are supposed to be returned after 1 year which seems incredibly fair if somebody is off their meds or having a breakdown or something.

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            That’s the thing though I don’t see any proof what you’re saying is correct.

            I already addressed this. Please come back with something new.

            Most ERPOs require proof

            You already said that and I already said that many of them don’t.

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                3 months ago

                LOL okay, easy enough for you to just lie about that. Lot easier than actually putting together anything that resembles an argument.