cross-posted from: https://midwest.social/post/8284923

Key Takeaway:

"In defending itself against union busting allegations, Trader Joe’s fired a cannon ball that could sink the ship of modern American labor law.

The grocery store chain is arguing that the federal agency prosecuting it for unfair labor practices — including giving union workers worse retirement benefits and barring workers from wearing union pins at work — is unconstitutional."

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    9 months ago

    The issue companies have with unions isn’t necessarily that it gives workers more benefits it’s that the union comes between management and getting anything changed. It’s simply about the loss of control of their workers. You won’t find many that are pro-union due to that. And frankly, I don’t blame them. The current union setup in the US sucks for both businesses and workers.

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        Why does everyone think I am pro business here? I just understand what they’re thinking having worked for them for 20+ years. You may not like their POV but it exists.

        I just don’t think unions are the answer to solving the issue. They’ve done little to actually solve corporations having as much power as they do (which is way too much).

        Yes, they’ve pushed us forward from the Industrial Revolution’s abuses but they haven’t done nearly enough to really give workers power. I’m critical of both.

        Until you stop lobbying (which is up by the way) you aren’t doing enough. *Collective you, not you personally.

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          I agree with you. Everyone wants unions because it’s the popular sentiment right now, but what we need is an environment that doesn’t require unions in the first place. We need a government that prioritizes the people’s rights, making unions redundant.

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      I’m sorry, but I do blame the companies, fully and completely. If they are so self-absorbed and greed-addled that they see giving workers some level of control over their labor, then fuck them. Barring violent revolution, unions are our only hope to seize any manner of control over the corporate theft of our labor and exploitation of our working class.

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        Blaming corporations for being greedy is like blaming the wolf for killing the sheep. It’s just their nature, and they have to do it to survive without getting trampled by the other corporations and wolves. Like I said in my other comment, what we need is strong and fair government regulation to set the baseline at which companies have to operate, ensuring people are compensated fairly, and that corporations don’t have to trample their workers to stay afloat.

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          If that’s the case, then it sounds like capitalism is pretty shit at fostering mutual aid, and we should probably dispense with it

          In the meantime, I do blame the corporations and greedy CEOs for being such abysmally horrid ghouls that they would require regulation not to enslave and exploit. Not everyone needs rules to tell us not to treat each other miserably.

          So yeah, I do blame them. Saying they need regulations not to behave in this way really shows what kind of disgusting and deplorable humans are leading these companies.

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          And frankly, I don’t blame them.

          I said I do. We don’t agree. How can you say “I agree” when you clearly don’t? Is this some form of toxic positivity or psychological warfare? Weird.

          The current union setup in the US sucks for both businesses and workers

          Only because of businesses, NOT because of unions.

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            Barring violent revolution, unions are our only hope to seize any manner of control over the corporate theft of our labor and exploitation of our working class.

            I agree with this.