• WashedAnus [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    9 months ago

    finding myself lacking

    Just remember that there were only like two cases of successful adventurism for the hundreds of attempts over the last ~150 years. (Gavrilo Princip and yamagami )

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      I think we’re rapidly approaching a tipping point where a lot of individual adventurism is about to come back into fashion. One ecoterrorist or anti-genocide bomber will spark off an absolute shit tonne of copycats.

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          I mean sure. But the question is how do you identify and reach and organise the would-be adventurist bombers beforehand?

          Find the answer to that question and I guarantee you you’re in the process of creating the most revolutionary group the US has seen since the panthers.

          Arguably the Panthers successfully intercepted would-be adventurists who would have died shooting cops. Some of them still did, but they did organising in the most revolutionary party the US has seen first.

          You find the people that are going to die fighting the state and manage to connect with them before they do it in a disorganised way and you’re heading in the direction of a revolutionary force.

        • Hestia [comrade/them, she/her]@hexbear.net
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          the problem with that is the various government entities that infiltrate any group that attempts to organize, and tears them apart from the inside or arrests/kills them. But the government aren’t in our heads (yet)

          Sometimes the best organization is no organization: just individual sparks that eventually coalesce into a wildfire.

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        It’s not about whether or not the specific dude got got, it’s about the fallout from it. Generally, Propaganda of the Deed resulted in a backlash by the public against the socialist movements rather than support, whereas yamagami achieved all of his goals, and Princip achieved independence for his people from the Austro-Hungarian Empire.

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          I know it turned public opinion against anarchism and was deadly to their movement.

          But in the long run it weakened the perception of the royals as untouchable, and created space for Leninism to grow and succeed.

          Which sucks because our anarchist comrades deserved a better go at things. But it’s hard to see a 1917 without the death of Alexander II

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      Were those really that successful? WW1 would start anyway, they all were just itching for pretext anyway. And did Abe death changed anything at all?