I feel like in 2024 jazz is full of people who are Very Concerned with playing jazz according to the rules and boundaries. The amount of condescending jazz musicians I have met almost approaches the amount of condescending classically trained musicians I have met at this point which is unfortunately saying something.
Obviously a big generalization of diverse and varied artistic movement, but I don’t think jazz even remotely plays the subversive, counter cultural role it used to, it has been far to institutionalized as a genre.
The counter cultural, rule breaking aspects of jazz have mostly moved on to other black american movements of music like hip-hop, rap, and electronic genres etc. Shout out to black american culture for being the driving force behind almost every meaningful musical movement in the US :)
Tbf there have always been jazz nerds and then the actual musicians.
If the text on the pic was Live Jazz a Jazz Nerd would say “That apostrophe is a mistake” and everyone else would acknowledge it but not be nearly as upset about it.
I’m afraid I disagree, Lakesia Benjamin is melding hip-hop, soul, modern music and jazz
The Darcy James Argue Secret Society is creating listenable music but still pushing boundaries
and for the more avant guard stuff we had both Space Cube Jazz and Chicken Shit Bingo this year.
Is Jazz in the room with us?
No. That’s in Utah.
You’re scared by a lack of boundaries.
I’m scared because Herbie Hancock still looks 20.
We are not the same.
Still have to play notes on instruments. Good luck breaking that boundary 😂
Have you ever fucked around with a massively powerful software synthesizer like Pigments or Dune or Serum? Or used a powerful digital fx software like Sandman Pro?
When you have a complex sound generating machine, you can walk around the internals expressing yourself by changing the sound and timbre of the instrument as it plays a note rather than changing the note and the aesthetic dynamics possible far outstrip what seeing music only through the lens of notes can do.
You can change the timbre of a note through physical instruments too. No good musician views music only through the lens of notes regardless of what instrument they play. If you prefer electronic music, that’s fine. But don’t act like its somehow superior to other kinds of music.
But don’t act like its somehow superior to other kinds of music.
I wasn’t, you are putting words in my mouth, I am absolutely aware that good musicians change the timbre of the instrument they are playing to express themselves but those things are usually considered the details, the flourishes, or embellishments of performance, not the core focus of the performance. All you need to do is take a cursory glance at sheet music to understand how most western genres of music perceive the experience and performance of music.
The first people to master this type of music composition and performance were likely didgeridoo players, or maybe it was players of some instrument in Chinese culture that I am unaware of since Chinese history goes back so far… so yah it ain’t new.
I mean no, the first people to master timbre were singers, followed by drummers, tens hundreds of thousands of years ago. Let’s not lose our heads here.
Ok sure that is reasonable, I was just trying to provide examples of non-percussive non-voice musical instruments.
Also I lost my head a long long time ago, have you seen it lying around anywhere?
My apologies if I misunderstood you. I do disagree that such things are considered just small details though. In my experience, those details will make or break the entire performance. No one wants to listen to a live performance of what sounds like a midi track.
I do agree western music notation is very flawed, but creating a kind of notation that properly represents those things is nearly impossible. People have been trying for centuries, but so far the current form of notation is the best we can come up with.
Because of its limitations, musicians very often treat sheet music as a general guide, and deviate from it whenever they feel it is necessary.
A synthesizer is an instrument 🤣
That sounds pretty cool I’ve been wanting to try and create an idea in my head of a bard playing a lute with thunder as the notes
Do it, the amount of fun you can have with modern software synthesizers and fx is off the wall.
To say it is a rabbit hole with lots of different challenging learning curves is an understatement but at the same time these things are just super powerful toys and surfing through the presets and trying out random sounds alone is immediately fun, you don’t actually need to understand a damn lick of it to have a blast.
With wavetable synthesis or granular synthesis you can take audio samples of thunder and inject them into an audio engine where you can warp and play around with the sound of thunder in ways you can’t even begin to imagine!
With concatenative synthesis you can literally do what you are saying because concatenative synthesis takes one audio file (let’s say a 5 min recording of a thunderstorm), breaks it into chunks and then attempts to recreate a second audio file you give it (a recording of a lute player) by reconstructing the chunks from the first audio file into composite sounds that best approximate the second audio file. This is a much more niche thing but it is realllllllly fucking fun thing to mess around with.
I wanna milk the nectar from this mfs tiddies
Ayo wtf?
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very jazzy
Ya like jazz?
Who doesn’t?
Apparently I’m just afraid of it.
Yes. Lets all listen all notes at the same time and call it music. Then we all can be musicians.
Melodic death metal is the art of playing every notes in a row as fast as possible and it’s amazing
Listening to music = being a musician!
No. When notes don’t matter and you just have to produce any clear sounds off your instrument and improvise through feeling with any skill you might poses, we are all musicians.
Sure but you did say this:
Lets all listen all notes at the same time and call it music
which is what I goofed on
Ok, Meta, but is that the correct punctuation? It doesn’t look right, but I don’t know how I’d change it.
There’s not a complete sentence after the period, so no.
Right, but how would it be corrected? Breakout the semicolon?
Well I’m sure it could be corrected but since it’s about jazz maybe we shouldn’t venture into that
Is this a Howard Moon quote?
Jazz is stupid! Just play the right notes!
And here I am trying to learn how to play the Banjo.
