• flora_explora@beehaw.org
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    8 months ago

    Well, I would love to talk about fundamental research. But the author of the article actually conflates research and economical growth. That’s why I was discussing the problems that come up when you only focus on economic growth. Especially fundamental research is not expected to reliably generate economic benefits. That’s the whole point of it.

    I think that the author actually gave the answer, or at least a more compelling one, in the article itself: any research and especially fundamental research gets harder the more you already know. We already plucked all the low- and medium-hanging fruits. Now we need to wrestle more and more with much harder niche problems often on much smaller or bigger scale (transistors on atom level vs huge climate models).

    The author may also have conflated research with its economic output out of a confusion. In my view, the opposite is the case. Research is more and more under capitalist pressure to produce output, to compete with other researchers and to publish whatever you can in record time. This is detrimental to research, as this competition leads to many more papers that are nonsensical or that only lead to tiny progressions. No one has time to actually research anything in depth because you have to publish right away and have to persuade investors that your research is the next breakthrough. Under heavy competition, researchers then begin to steal findings from each other or try to cheat in some other way. The supposed room-temperature superconducter finding last year was such a case where they tried to publish their findings before the rest of the team. Had they spend just more time researching, they may have found that it actually wasn’t a superconducter. Weren’t they under such a financial pressure, they wouldn’t even had the incentive to publish this finding. And then there are all these predatory journals that thrive under capitalist pressure.

    This system is rotten. Research does not do well under capitalism. Maybe that’s what the author tried to say as well? I doubt it but I haven’t read the last part.

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      But the author of the article actually conflates research and economical growth. That’s why I was discussing the problems that come up when you only focus on economic growth.

      What? It looks to me like the article is focusing almost exclusively on research, not on economic growth. There’s some stuff in the first two paragraphs about setting the economic context, and a passing mention much later of academic inequality seeming to produce a corresponding economic inequality, but as far as I can tell, the main thrust of his point is very much focused on the research side and independent from anything it means on the economic side. Where is he talking in any depth about economics?