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    Why are people so upset about Beehaw being quite exclusionary?

    When I first learned about the Fediverse part of the appeal was that some instances would be open, some would be more exclusive, and that was part of the appeal. Don’t like how open/exclusionary one is? Then leave and go to a different one.

    Defederation is a feature of the Fediverse, and using it isn’t some big crime.

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      Defederation is a feature of the Fediverse, and using it isn’t some big crime.

      Defederation was meant as a last measure to block instances like gab.ai or truth social. Not to block content the Moderators may not like. At the end it should be the users choice what content they enjoy. Large instances blocking each other betrays the whole idea, the dream that we can all communicate. This is, at its core, Gmail blocking Outlook users to send mails to Gmail users because Outlook allows X, Y and Z and its just insanity.

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      I agree. We should be able to federate and defederate who and when we want. If you really can’t find any sever that fits your needs, there’s always personal instances and starting your own server.

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    There’s so many things wrong with the way beehaw is run that I don’t even know where to start.

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        They defederated with multiple large lemmy instances (lemmy.world and another I don’t remember). They also did this in an asymmetric way making themselves an island whose content gets sent out into the fediverse but who doesn’t listen to updates for the content that gets sent out.

        If I comment on a beehaw post as a lemmy.world user, my comment will only live on lemmy.world and not the rest of the fediverse because of what beehaw did

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          Well yeah, but that was because of an influx of spam and not because beehaw admins have anything against lemmyworld. Afaik they are currently working out with lemmyworld’s admin how to solve this situation and refederate.

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            Yea its pretty much the same with our instance. They defederated from us but our admins and their admins are chill and want to eventually refederate.

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            Yeah, but who’s fault was it that beehaw got swarmed with users. Everyone on beehaw that also had reddit accounts wrote “come over to Lemmy, sign up on beehaw 😉”… why would I even suggest that if it doesn’t matter on which instance users signed up, they can all still see the same content posted on the fediverse. Unless you defederate that is, then yeah… but that just means that they were planning on running it like a forum and defederate from the start, then just use the influx as an excuse.

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      No, it’s just an instance, but defederated from some of the largest instances, thus, the joke, they being their own platform.

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      That’s the joke. They defederate from everyone, thus effectively making it their own platform.

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      Whooosssh, beehaw being there is the joke. They see themselves as better than other Lemmy instances and have defederated some other large instances

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        Except isn’t the truth that they experienced harassment from other open-registration instances and in lack of better moderation tools chose to defederate for the time being?

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          That’s what they said but there wasn’t much harassment, mainly they were preempting this.

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                  What in the AF 😂.

                  Why not just run a forum, why choose Lemmy…

                  I bet they were waiting to fill with users after the migration and just close shop…

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                The moderation activity has increased exponentially the last few weeks, what do you mean specifically?

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                  You can find this information for yourself by searching Lemmy. Can’t be arsed with this back and forth when the information is freely available, the mod logs prior to the defederation shows no mass user ban on their instance. Which is what you would expect to see to justify the defederation. They also said they were defederating because of the fact Lemmy.world and sh.itjustworks didnt require email verification on sign up.

                  Way to kill a joke.

                  Good day to you, adieu

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            My thoughts as well… I mean, come on, how much harrasement can you get on a platform that has just begun filling with users and barely has 10K users… we’d have to all be in on it, like “hey, everyone, let’s fuck with beehaw, he he he 😁”.