• PizzaMan@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    It’s not sexist to expect men to fight like men, and to find fault with cowardice.

    Have you ever seen liveleak videos of what cartels do to the people who stand up to them? Because I have. I’ve seen a guy get decapitated with a box cutter. If I were living in one of those countries, the logical thing for me to do is to get my family the hell out of there rather than to throw my life away in a failed attempt to take down a cartel.

    The problem with what you’ve said isn’t sexism, the problem is that none of what you said has any sense of realism. You can’t pull yourself up by your bootstraps if you have no bootstraps.

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      11 months ago

      What’s wrong with you, watching a video like that? I’m traumatized just reading your description of it. Are you okay?

      I get your point, and I don’t think either of us can convince the other. The honorable man dies with his boots on. That’s my position, and I’m sticking to it.

      But really, I’m concerned about anyone watching videos like that. That’s really disturbing.

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        11 months ago

        What’s wrong with you, watching a video like that? I’m traumatized just reading your description of it. Are you okay?

        4chan is a rough place and I will leave it at that. I only brought it up to point out how hopeless it is for any individual (and even governments) to stand up to cartels. You have an unrealistic expectation on how people should fight for the safety of their loved ones.

        The honorable man dies with his boots on.

        When the continental army was fighting the British, they were fighting tyranny illegally, and doing so with women and children and tow. Many of those soldiers died during retreating movements, without their boots on so to speak.

        I don’t aim to convince you, I’m simply here to point out that the rational thing is to recognize that getting your family out of danger through any means necessary is the moral thing to do even if it technically breaks the law.

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          I hear you. It’s rather hard to convince anyone of anything, and the best we can do is listen and try to understand other people’s perspectives.

          While I personally don’t favor retreat, I acknowledge that many do. I find it interesting to consider that our opinion on fighting versus retreat underlies our perspectives on illegal immigration, though obviously we’re influenced by other factors and beliefs as well.

          Please, for the love of all that is good, don’t subject yourself to videos like that anymore. I mean, it’s good to be aware of what’s going on in the world, and it helps to make the point you made, but still, what nightmare material.