That’s a circular argument. If the devil had a holy book you’d see the same thing about how the devil is the good guy.
I’m not trying to prove anything here. If you think I am, I have to wonder what led you to think that.
I do not think that. I linked it because it is the golden standard for belief, and it requires evidence before belief.
I am planting a seed, and praying your soil is fertile.
I’ve been having these sorts of conversations with christians for over a decade. If christians had anything convincing to say, I think I would have heard it by now.
Your primary goal here, by contrast, is laid out in Romans 1:18-32.
it’s not. I’m honestly just talking with you for the sake of enjoyment at this point.
You’re fully immersed in it. But until you establish a penitent relationship with God, you are blind.
The “look at the trees” argument is an invalid one.
If you’re honestly not trying to prove how clever you are, then submit to God in faith, and the copious evidence can then be revealed to you.
Nope, evidence must come before belief, and belief is not a direct choice.
If the devil had a holy book you’d see the same thing about how the devil is the good guy.
Do you not see how ridiculous this argument is? Of course the Devil lies, but the difference between God and Satan is under most circumstances glaringly obvious.
I linked it because it is the golden standard for belief, and it requires evidence before belief.
I’ve been having these sorts of conversations with christians for over a decade.
And who do you think has been motivating you to do that? Time and again, it is the Holy Spirit who moves you. God loves you despite your continued rejection of Him. Yet every time you receive another opportunity to drink of His water, you instead choose to follow your demons.
it’s not. I’m honestly just talking with you for the sake of enjoyment at this point.
I’m guessing you didn’t actually read Romans 1:18-32. Please do. If you can be honest with yourself, you’ll find it all too familiar. What you call “the sake of enjoyment” is described.
Nope, evidence must come before belief, and belief is not a direct choice.
Faith exists only because belief is a direct choice. Surely you don’t deny the existence of faith.
So then if you understand that there is a chance that what your reading is lies, then why don’t you put any effort into determining if what you are reading is lies?
The golden standard for belief is a mustard seed.
That parable says nothing about it being the gold standard.
And who do you think has been motivating you to do that?
Time and again, it is the Holy Spirit who moves you. God loves you despite your continued rejection of Him. Yet every time you receive another opportunity to drink of His water, you instead choose to follow your demons.
None of this is true. My motivations are my own.
I’m guessing you didn’t actually read Romans 1:18-32. Please do.
Like I said in the other thread, I don’t derive any value from bible verses.
Faith exists only because belief is a direct choice.
For the sake of experiment, choose to believe that the moon is made of cheese then. You can’t do it, because you know better.
Surely you don’t deny the existence of faith.
Depends what you mean by “faith”.
If you’re talking about blind faith, then it exists as much as any other concept can, and it is almost by definition an error.
If by faith you mean trust, then in the same way it exists. But even that is based on information you hold to believe as true, which is not something that is under anybody’s direct control.
That’s a circular argument. If the devil had a holy book you’d see the same thing about how the devil is the good guy.
I do not think that. I linked it because it is the golden standard for belief, and it requires evidence before belief.
I’ve been having these sorts of conversations with christians for over a decade. If christians had anything convincing to say, I think I would have heard it by now.
it’s not. I’m honestly just talking with you for the sake of enjoyment at this point.
The “look at the trees” argument is an invalid one.
Nope, evidence must come before belief, and belief is not a direct choice.
Do you not see how ridiculous this argument is? Of course the Devil lies, but the difference between God and Satan is under most circumstances glaringly obvious.
The golden standard for belief is a mustard seed.
And who do you think has been motivating you to do that? Time and again, it is the Holy Spirit who moves you. God loves you despite your continued rejection of Him. Yet every time you receive another opportunity to drink of His water, you instead choose to follow your demons.
I’m guessing you didn’t actually read Romans 1:18-32. Please do. If you can be honest with yourself, you’ll find it all too familiar. What you call “the sake of enjoyment” is described.
Faith exists only because belief is a direct choice. Surely you don’t deny the existence of faith.
So then if you understand that there is a chance that what your reading is lies, then why don’t you put any effort into determining if what you are reading is lies?
That parable says nothing about it being the gold standard.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question
None of this is true. My motivations are my own.
Like I said in the other thread, I don’t derive any value from bible verses.
For the sake of experiment, choose to believe that the moon is made of cheese then. You can’t do it, because you know better.
Depends what you mean by “faith”.
If you’re talking about blind faith, then it exists as much as any other concept can, and it is almost by definition an error.
If by faith you mean trust, then in the same way it exists. But even that is based on information you hold to believe as true, which is not something that is under anybody’s direct control.