I don’t accept “I know I am” as any form of proof toward any introspective qualities, whether that is sentience or consciousness or even free will. I also don’t accept “I just know it” as proof of any deity or higher power, or that there is an objective morality embedded in the universe, etc.
I’ll stop responding here, because I think we are just not going to make any progress with each other. Your posit that you can just tell the difference and know it, is fundamentally incompatible with my stance that there must be some method or technique to distinguish what the difference is. I simply do not know that I am the same person today that I was yesterday - I feel that I have good reason to believe that I am, but I also accept that this might simply be an illusion because of the circumstance of having woken up with memories that lead me to that conclusion. I have no way to know that the consciousness that “ended” with sleep last night is really the same one that woke up this morning, outside of the apparent continuity of memory. I find it an interesting and thought-provoking question, but you may also simply decide that you know the answer by feeling.
Then this goes back to my point of “if you can’t prove your own sentience to yourself, maybe that’s worth digging into.” The very baseline of philosophy is “I think therefore I am.” It’s the one thing Descartes thought one can know with certainty. If you question even that about yourself, it might imply an abnormal psychology or that you’re overthinking things to a point of pedantry that even a 17th century philosopher would say is “a bit much.”
Yes, rebuttals by a bunch of philosophers who, like you, can’t even accept their own existence or get hung up on the definition of “I” and “think”. “I” doesn’t need to be one’s physical body as one perceives it. “I” could be a brain in a jar or a computer generating an entire simulated universe or a bored deity. But something that you are, or at least I am, is producing thought about itself and its input stimuli.
Anyone who can’t even accept the fact that, by thinking, they must exist in some capacity in order to be capable of thinking, is being obstinate for obstinance’s sake. That isn’t a philosophical question. It’s refusing the answer provided by your own experience in order to be the most pedantic person in the room. So, basically 20th-21st century philosophy.
Or maybe you really aren’t sentient and I’m wasting my time with an NPC.
Your entire argument is as clever as a toddler repeatedly asking “why?” to everything, not because they’re genuinely curious, but because they realized it gets a rise out of the adults in the room.
So, yes, if you really can’t grasp that by thinking you must exist in some form, then I can only conclude that you A) really don’t exist, B) are suffering from some psychotic malady, or C) are just a troll arguing in bad faith to annoy the grown-ups.
I don’t accept “I know I am” as any form of proof toward any introspective qualities, whether that is sentience or consciousness or even free will. I also don’t accept “I just know it” as proof of any deity or higher power, or that there is an objective morality embedded in the universe, etc.
I’ll stop responding here, because I think we are just not going to make any progress with each other. Your posit that you can just tell the difference and know it, is fundamentally incompatible with my stance that there must be some method or technique to distinguish what the difference is. I simply do not know that I am the same person today that I was yesterday - I feel that I have good reason to believe that I am, but I also accept that this might simply be an illusion because of the circumstance of having woken up with memories that lead me to that conclusion. I have no way to know that the consciousness that “ended” with sleep last night is really the same one that woke up this morning, outside of the apparent continuity of memory. I find it an interesting and thought-provoking question, but you may also simply decide that you know the answer by feeling.
Then this goes back to my point of “if you can’t prove your own sentience to yourself, maybe that’s worth digging into.” The very baseline of philosophy is “I think therefore I am.” It’s the one thing Descartes thought one can know with certainty. If you question even that about yourself, it might imply an abnormal psychology or that you’re overthinking things to a point of pedantry that even a 17th century philosopher would say is “a bit much.”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cogito,_ergo_sum#Critique
Yes, rebuttals by a bunch of philosophers who, like you, can’t even accept their own existence or get hung up on the definition of “I” and “think”. “I” doesn’t need to be one’s physical body as one perceives it. “I” could be a brain in a jar or a computer generating an entire simulated universe or a bored deity. But something that you are, or at least I am, is producing thought about itself and its input stimuli.
Anyone who can’t even accept the fact that, by thinking, they must exist in some capacity in order to be capable of thinking, is being obstinate for obstinance’s sake. That isn’t a philosophical question. It’s refusing the answer provided by your own experience in order to be the most pedantic person in the room. So, basically 20th-21st century philosophy.
Or maybe you really aren’t sentient and I’m wasting my time with an NPC.
“Agree with me, or see a psychiatrist, or you’re an actual NPC” is an exceedingly shitty debate tactic.
Enjoy.
Your entire argument is as clever as a toddler repeatedly asking “why?” to everything, not because they’re genuinely curious, but because they realized it gets a rise out of the adults in the room.
So, yes, if you really can’t grasp that by thinking you must exist in some form, then I can only conclude that you A) really don’t exist, B) are suffering from some psychotic malady, or C) are just a troll arguing in bad faith to annoy the grown-ups.