Video games also have potential legal advantages over IQ tests for companies. You could argue that “we only hire people good at video games to get people who fit our corporate culture of liking video games” but that argument doesn’t work as well for IQ tests.

yet again an original post title that self-sneers

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    I agree with the post title, but only because video games have value and IQ tests absolutely do not

    IQ tests are notorious for working poorly above ~135, and I’d say they only really work well for -20 to +0 relative to the designers, with a somewhat wider range for teams.

    wait so how do the IQ test designers get their IQs tested? if the scouter explodes when it measures your IQ, do you get to design the tests?

    Have you played something like Slay the spire? Or Mechabellum that is popular right now? Deck builders don’t require coordination at all but demands understanding of tradeoffs and managing risks. If anything those skills are neglected parts of intelligence.

    nice! by the Slay the Spire metric, I’ve got like a 180 IQ. time to dunk on these nerds

    (I’m also gonna download Mechabellum cause it looks like entirely my shit. not the first time I’ve ignored all of the “salient” points in a rat post and went straight for the game recommendations)

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      wait so how do the IQ test designers get their IQs tested?

      and moses came down from the mountain, bearing with him the holy slates of psychometry with which to measure which animals shall be allowed to board

      – (the actual reason there’s no more unicorna)

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      video games have value and IQ tests absolutely do not

      IQ tests have proven to be a good predictor of job performance, health, and likelihood of being convicted for a crime

      Predicting those does have value, because it can help companies making hiring decisions and help those struggling before they start having bigger problems.

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      video games have value and IQ tests absolutely do not

      IQ tests have proven to be a good predictor of job performance, health, and likelihood of being convicted for a crime

      Predicting those does have value, because it can help companies making hiring decisions and get those struggling with help before they start having bigger problems.

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      video games have value and IQ tests absolutely do not

      IQ tests have proven to be a good predictor of job performance, health, and likelihood of being convicted for a crime.

      The main study for this was the National Longitudinal Study of Youth, which took IQ tests and followed the same participants throughout their life. IQ was shown to be a better predictor than family income, and other factors.

      Being able to predict job performance has value for companies who want long-term reliable employees. It has value for schools and students so that those struggling can get additional help before bigger problems pop up.

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        and likelihood of being convicted for a crime.

        do you think there are any confounding factors there

        EDIT: actually, forget it, you’ve been deleting and reposting to try to promote this stuff, bye now

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          aw fuck, my baby’s first post defending iq got d-d-d-downvotes! the only high iq move here is to delete and repost it and then post a pop science youtube video that supports my point. that’ll show em who the real @mind in the room is

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          The conclusions made about IQ were done after controlling for factors like race and family income, which you would know if you even did a cursory study of the research behind these tests, because you weren’t the first person to ask that. Controlling for confounding variables was always a big part of IQ research.

          I’m sure we both know that race and family income will have a big effect on life outcomes, regardless off who you are as a person. To account for that, you can control for both factors and see how IQ impacted life outcomes when those stay the same.

          According to the NLSY, a big study often referenced to establish how good IQ is as a predictor, shows that even with a race or income bracket, a higher IQ is linked to better life outcomes.

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            you know what, I’ll bite

            “just for kicks” I’ve run IQ tests at various times in my life, in various states of being (stressed, sick, tired, etc)

            the variance I got on the outputs have been up to 40 points wide across many cases.

            objective measure it is not.

            proxy indicator, very much so.

            the shit does not measure what you think it does.

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              @froztbyte @sneerclub Data point: at one time as a kid it occurred to a school counselor that maybe my grades were evidence that my supposed “potential” based on an earlier IQ test was wrong & that a new more modern version of the Stanford-Binet would reveal my imbecility. The 2nd test came out 60+ points higher than the 1st. That couldn’t be correct, so I ended up taking 2 more tests, both with scores in between but substantially different.
              Sure, IQ is real.

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            @mind @dgerard

            IQ tests assume that there is a general intelligence that they’re measuring. That has never been found and if it _had_ then it would be compulsory learning at school.

            IQ tests are pretty good for measuring low attainment and problems, that’s what they were designed for.

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        You know I misread this post due to the janky format of the new website and I just wanted you to understand as you go that I really thought you could have had something great with the version of this where you’re arguing that very defensive gamers are predicted to be more intelligent and do less crime than black people, but no: you just had to be the brainlet with the oldest fuckin’ “actually IQ test are real and magic” shtick on the internet