To my knowledge, the concept of “conservatism” is the will to conserve, preserve past values that are seen as superior. While I don’t agree with this either, this community has almost exclusively posts about fearing new things and trying to show them as evil. Evil migrants, evil new generations, evil new sexualities, whatever.

I do not see any “values” in it, only fear. Rejecting migrants is not based on morals or values that are rational, but on fear. Same for the rest. Which leads to the question, what is the point of this community? It does not lead to debate, people calling it out as fascism on one side (which is quite justified as the root ideas are seemingly identical) and the other side just saying that it’s wrong and that’s it. There’s no debate of values, as there are no values to debate about.

I do not agree with the concept of conservatism, and I couldn’t care less if this place is forever doomed to be downvoted in oblivion. But if you actually want to do something else than fear-mongering, even if you insist on talking about conservatism, then maybe it would be a good idea to refocus the community on actual ideas, and not the typical far-right speeches of hatred and fear that already flood a lot of media.

Of course I believe that it would be better to reconsider opinions that basically encourage the worst of humanity; but even aside from that, there is more to do than to replace every possibility of a conversation with the (stereo)typical “immigrants bad, jesus good, gays evil” speech.

  • Neuromancer@lemm.eeM
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    0
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    edit-2
    1 year ago

    I don’t know any conservative who cares about your sexuality.

    I’ve never seen that happen and my best friend is a trans woman who looks like a dude in a dress. She is not the least bit passing to anyone other than herself. She’s liberal. I’m conservative and nobody ever says a word to us when we are out and about. So maybe you need to stop and think about what you’re doing to repel people. My brother best friend was openly homosexual in the 80’s and no one ever denied us service when we all went out. I mean he was openly flaming gay. Never an issue.

    So I am not saying your experience is false, but doesn’t match the experience I’ve had being around people of different sexualities than my own. Most people just don’t care unless you make a weird scene.

    • Izzgo@kbin.social
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      2
      ·
      1 year ago

      I would dearly love to live in the world you believe you inhabit. I won’t bother continuing this discussion with you though, as I KNOW I’m doing nothing socially inappropriate or offensive beyond walking or eating next to my wife.

      • Neuromancer@lemm.eeM
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        0
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        1 year ago

        I just have a hard time believing people are spitting about you in the modern age.

        When Growing up in the Bible Belt with an openly gay person in my social circle didn’t ever cause an issue. This is back when homosexuality was still a crime in many places.

        I would say your experience is very unique in 2023 and it’s nothing I’ve ever seen or experienced. It’s nothing any of my friends have mentioned in their personal lives which normally would come if they were routinely being persecuted or assaulted with a deadly weapon.

        So it just leaves me puzzled.

        • ElderWendigo@sh.itjust.works
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          1 year ago

          You don’t have to keep lying. No one here believes you, but it doesn’t fucking matter anyway. You don’t get to use your ignorance and naive conservative experience to claim that bigotry doesn’t exist.

            • Reddfugee42@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              1 year ago

              Bahaha who flies the rebel flag and cries about their heritage when Confederate monuments are taken down?

              Oops, sorry, I made you think

            • PizzaMan@lemm.ee
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              0
              ·
              edit-2
              1 year ago

              The disagreement button shows people are not believing you. You haven’t walked a single day in a queer person’s shoes, let alone a set of conservative shoes in a conservative area.

              • Neuromancer@lemm.eeM
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                0
                arrow-down
                2
                ·
                1 year ago

                Ah like a child you seek approval by anonymous people.

                I have walked with queer people in conservative areas. Hate to break it to you sunshine. Being queer isn’t something new. We had queer people when I was growing up in the Bible Belt.

                People just like to claim to be victims when often it’s their own actions that draw the ire.

                • PizzaMan@lemm.ee
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  ·
                  1 year ago

                  Ah like a child you seek approval by anonymous people.

                  No, I’m stating that your claim of “everyone believes me” is obviously false.

                  The rest of what you said is just bullshit.

                  • Neuromancer@lemm.eeM
                    link
                    fedilink
                    arrow-up
                    0
                    arrow-down
                    2
                    ·
                    1 year ago

                    Let me rephrase that. Any conservative would believe me.

                    The rest of what I’ve said is true.