Bet you they will make their cable charge non iPhones slower… adding some proprietary tech inside the charger, phone or cable which only allows fast charging on Official Apple Certified products etc.
I don’t know why people think this. USB-C is on every Apple product except iPhone and AirPods, and they were quite an early adopter of it, putting it on the MacBook in 2015. For comparison, the first Samsung phone with USB-C was the Note 7, 1.5 years later.
They’ve done nothing proprietary with it in all that time, and Apple products with USB-C have followed the spec quite closely (unlike offenders such as Nintendo). Outside of unsubstantiated rumours and FUD, there’s no reason to think they’ll do anything different.
Genuinely curious, how did Nintendo change their specs for USB C? I still charge both my steam deck and switch off the charger my deck came with, but only the deck works with the usb-c to hdmi dongle I got. How does that work?
Could easily be out of spec chargers. There are a number of prominent iPhone repair specialists (Louis Rossman, iPadRehab and such) that highly recommend against using 3rd party USB power supplies because there’s no guarantee of quality.
You can easily destroy your expensive device. They even recommend against using the built-in USB ports in planes and transit and instead using an AC power port with your OEM charging adapter to be safe.
That I’m not exactly sure about. All I know is that every Apple device with USB-C I own works with all the USB-C docks I own with full port compatibility and video out, yet 3rd party docks have fried Switches and to get video out you need their dock.
If you search online I’m pretty sure people have gone indepth about what exactly Nintendo did differently.
There is plenty of reason to think they will do something different. Apple is notorious for being petty with their interpretability. They have yet to build the RCA standard into their messages app because doing so would mean playing ball with their competitors. They intentionally make their Mac parts in such a way that you can’t get 3rd party replacements and instead need to rely on Apple for repair. They do shit like this all the time and I wouldn’t put it past them to limit interpretability here because they’ve made the calculation that their customers will think that it’s a problem with the competitor and switch to Apple more often than not.
Before Apple went ARM, they weren’t perfect, but they weren’t the worst. You could swap RAM on iMacs, change out storage on Mac Minis. But as they adopted ARM, RAM was incorporated into the SoC. And while poor for interoperability, there are notable performance improvements in this system-in-a-package design. More so, they do allow for some storage upgrades with the current Mac Mini and Mac Studio, even if it’s still somewhat user-hostile.
As for the charging question at hand, yeah…they probably WANTED something stupid like they did with MFi certification on lightning cables, but it seems as though the EU has already warned them about that. Hopefully we’ll end up with a pretty nice usb-c experience!
Personally I don’t see those as the same. NVMe and RCS didn’t exist when Apple started doing PCIE storage and iMessage. It is true that they are reluctant to move to a standard or incorporate it if they already have their own solution in place that works for them.
But they haven’t proprietarily extended or altered a standard in a long time. You may feel differently, which is fair. If I had to bet though, I suspect that we’ll just see a standard USB-C port that works with all their other standards complaint chargers and cables they’ve been making for the last decade.
I really don’t want to get into it so I’m just going to give you a good ol Louis Rossmann video for your viewing pleasure. The point is that Apple has literally built in mechanisms in their ssds to prevent interpretability even as their old tech worked with it and yet tons of people buy their products with their blatant anti competitive practices and people like you will do apologetics for them. They could build RCS into their app at any point but they don’t and blaming their competitors for why they can’t put it in. They do it with apps on their smart speakers as well. They only want their services to work with their devices and there is no excuse for the most profitable tech company to act that way except that it affects their bottom line and if there was anything they could do to pad their pockets with this switch to USB c, you could bet your bottom dollar that they would do it.
A soldiered SSD is not designed to be interoperable, shocking. Because they don’t want you futzing about inside the machine does not mean they will proprietarily extend or restrict external ports. I’m not making excuses for the first one, I’m saying they aren’t the same thing.
I’m just being realistic and using the information in front of me. Apple has been using USB-C for years, and hasn’t done anything nefarious with it. They will do the same with the iPhone 15. It’ll just be a standard USB port. Feel free to spread FUD if you wish, but it’s obvious for anyone following along that this is what will happen. I will happily eat my words if it turns out not to be true.
They do have a solid rumor that they’re sticking with USB 2.0 speeds for for the USB C iPhone and that non-MFI certified cables may be slow charging only, so while I’ve got my finger’s crossed that’s false since I’m an iPhone guy, Apple still seems to be looking for a way to skirt the EU and still get the accessory cut.
USB 2.0 I would buy, I’m sure they have the telemetry to tell them that like less than 1% of iPhones are ever plugged into a computer or data accessory at this point. USB 3 would be nice but it’s not a dealbreaker for almost anyone.
MFI certification I don’t. They didn’t do it with iPads or MacBooks, why with iPhones? It just doesn’t pass the smell test. Just one product that shares the same connector with all their other products has an MFI program but all the others don’t? Even though when it was Lightning, MFI applied to all of them?
It’s possible they will launch a program, but it will just be one that allows you to put the little “MFI” icon on your box. It won’t be one that will limit charging speeds. I get the uncertainty if this was the first Apple product to switch to USB, but it’s the last major one. Just wouldn’t make sense.
MFI certification I don’t. They didn’t do it with iPads or MacBooks, why with iPhones?
Kinda already answering your own question. Those products converted to USB C a while ago, and there hasn’t been a technical reason to not convert iPhone for at least as long. Why not iPhone? It’s probably because if I had to guess, the MFI business is like, a lot of money. Probably hundreds of millions.
If you follow apple and the rumors fairly closely, this is one that at this point will be a surprise if it doesn’t happen.
They also had no reason to use sms for texting android users even when rms exists and they also had no reason to resist USB c in the first place as well it really blows my mind just how pretty apple is with random ass issues
But actually the free market would take care of this because capitalism is so great. Anyway, I have to get back to freebasing whatever’s under my sink now.
I mean the free market did, people decided they just didn’t care. You may have been sarcastic, but people have indeed decided it didn’t matter to them. That’s the “regulation” in this case
Yep, and Samsung (basically the apple of android) already does this. It’s annoying having all these old proprietary Samsung fast chargers around now that I’ve switched to google. They still charge decently, I just wish everyone would use the free fast charging standard
I can finally ask iPhone users for a charger. The world is healing
Bet you they will make their cable charge non iPhones slower… adding some proprietary tech inside the charger, phone or cable which only allows fast charging on Official Apple Certified products etc.
I don’t know why people think this. USB-C is on every Apple product except iPhone and AirPods, and they were quite an early adopter of it, putting it on the MacBook in 2015. For comparison, the first Samsung phone with USB-C was the Note 7, 1.5 years later.
They’ve done nothing proprietary with it in all that time, and Apple products with USB-C have followed the spec quite closely (unlike offenders such as Nintendo). Outside of unsubstantiated rumours and FUD, there’s no reason to think they’ll do anything different.
Genuinely curious, how did Nintendo change their specs for USB C? I still charge both my steam deck and switch off the charger my deck came with, but only the deck works with the usb-c to hdmi dongle I got. How does that work?
There was quite a scandal years ago because the Switch could get fried by third-party docks.
I’ve heard different explanations and I’m not 100% sure what’s true.
Here’s a good FAQ on the topic. https://switchchargers.com/nintendo-switch-bricking-faq/
If anyone knows more about this, please share! I’m not sure if the Switch is indeed noncompliant or if that was just a rumor/hypothesis.
There is a paper of one thirdparty producer, that explains what happens in cheap products: https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2019/08/heres-why-nintendo-switch-consoles-keep-frying/
Could easily be out of spec chargers. There are a number of prominent iPhone repair specialists (Louis Rossman, iPadRehab and such) that highly recommend against using 3rd party USB power supplies because there’s no guarantee of quality.
You can easily destroy your expensive device. They even recommend against using the built-in USB ports in planes and transit and instead using an AC power port with your OEM charging adapter to be safe.
That I’m not exactly sure about. All I know is that every Apple device with USB-C I own works with all the USB-C docks I own with full port compatibility and video out, yet 3rd party docks have fried Switches and to get video out you need their dock.
If you search online I’m pretty sure people have gone indepth about what exactly Nintendo did differently.
There is plenty of reason to think they will do something different. Apple is notorious for being petty with their interpretability. They have yet to build the RCA standard into their messages app because doing so would mean playing ball with their competitors. They intentionally make their Mac parts in such a way that you can’t get 3rd party replacements and instead need to rely on Apple for repair. They do shit like this all the time and I wouldn’t put it past them to limit interpretability here because they’ve made the calculation that their customers will think that it’s a problem with the competitor and switch to Apple more often than not.
Before Apple went ARM, they weren’t perfect, but they weren’t the worst. You could swap RAM on iMacs, change out storage on Mac Minis. But as they adopted ARM, RAM was incorporated into the SoC. And while poor for interoperability, there are notable performance improvements in this system-in-a-package design. More so, they do allow for some storage upgrades with the current Mac Mini and Mac Studio, even if it’s still somewhat user-hostile.
As for the charging question at hand, yeah…they probably WANTED something stupid like they did with MFi certification on lightning cables, but it seems as though the EU has already warned them about that. Hopefully we’ll end up with a pretty nice usb-c experience!
Personally I don’t see those as the same. NVMe and RCS didn’t exist when Apple started doing PCIE storage and iMessage. It is true that they are reluctant to move to a standard or incorporate it if they already have their own solution in place that works for them.
But they haven’t proprietarily extended or altered a standard in a long time. You may feel differently, which is fair. If I had to bet though, I suspect that we’ll just see a standard USB-C port that works with all their other standards complaint chargers and cables they’ve been making for the last decade.
I really don’t want to get into it so I’m just going to give you a good ol Louis Rossmann video for your viewing pleasure. The point is that Apple has literally built in mechanisms in their ssds to prevent interpretability even as their old tech worked with it and yet tons of people buy their products with their blatant anti competitive practices and people like you will do apologetics for them. They could build RCS into their app at any point but they don’t and blaming their competitors for why they can’t put it in. They do it with apps on their smart speakers as well. They only want their services to work with their devices and there is no excuse for the most profitable tech company to act that way except that it affects their bottom line and if there was anything they could do to pad their pockets with this switch to USB c, you could bet your bottom dollar that they would do it.
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A soldiered SSD is not designed to be interoperable, shocking. Because they don’t want you futzing about inside the machine does not mean they will proprietarily extend or restrict external ports. I’m not making excuses for the first one, I’m saying they aren’t the same thing.
I’m just being realistic and using the information in front of me. Apple has been using USB-C for years, and hasn’t done anything nefarious with it. They will do the same with the iPhone 15. It’ll just be a standard USB port. Feel free to spread FUD if you wish, but it’s obvious for anyone following along that this is what will happen. I will happily eat my words if it turns out not to be true.
I’ll spread all the FUD. My ability to doubt is something I don’t see as a negative. It’s literally kept me alive.
They do have a solid rumor that they’re sticking with USB 2.0 speeds for for the USB C iPhone and that non-MFI certified cables may be slow charging only, so while I’ve got my finger’s crossed that’s false since I’m an iPhone guy, Apple still seems to be looking for a way to skirt the EU and still get the accessory cut.
USB 2.0 I would buy, I’m sure they have the telemetry to tell them that like less than 1% of iPhones are ever plugged into a computer or data accessory at this point. USB 3 would be nice but it’s not a dealbreaker for almost anyone.
MFI certification I don’t. They didn’t do it with iPads or MacBooks, why with iPhones? It just doesn’t pass the smell test. Just one product that shares the same connector with all their other products has an MFI program but all the others don’t? Even though when it was Lightning, MFI applied to all of them?
It’s possible they will launch a program, but it will just be one that allows you to put the little “MFI” icon on your box. It won’t be one that will limit charging speeds. I get the uncertainty if this was the first Apple product to switch to USB, but it’s the last major one. Just wouldn’t make sense.
Kinda already answering your own question. Those products converted to USB C a while ago, and there hasn’t been a technical reason to not convert iPhone for at least as long. Why not iPhone? It’s probably because if I had to guess, the MFI business is like, a lot of money. Probably hundreds of millions.
If you follow apple and the rumors fairly closely, this is one that at this point will be a surprise if it doesn’t happen.
They also had no reason to use sms for texting android users even when rms exists and they also had no reason to resist USB c in the first place as well it really blows my mind just how pretty apple is with random ass issues
EU regulations banned that idea from taking place thankfully
just imagine how dystopian our world would be if there was no EU
But actually the free market would take care of this because capitalism is so great. Anyway, I have to get back to freebasing whatever’s under my sink now.
I mean the free market did, people decided they just didn’t care. You may have been sarcastic, but people have indeed decided it didn’t matter to them. That’s the “regulation” in this case
Yep, and Samsung (basically the apple of android) already does this. It’s annoying having all these old proprietary Samsung fast chargers around now that I’ve switched to google. They still charge decently, I just wish everyone would use the free fast charging standard
They’ve already got that. Cables need to be “MFI Certified” by Apple so charging works correctly.