• wafflez@lemmy.world
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      You can get everything from maslows pyramid being vegan. Side note though the pyramid has been controversial for a long time

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        the controversy is in the structure, completeness, and origin. the constituent parts aren’t controversial, except to the extent that they may not be complete. self actualization may require a mastery of french cuisine, and that will require dairy, eggs, fish, poultry, and meat.

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              What do people need from animal products? Especially so strong of a need that it requires the cycle of breeding and torture I’ve already discussed?

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                i don’t presume to tell others what they need. i’m only saying you dont know any more than i what anyone needs.

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                  What do you call separating a mother from her baby and killing him because he’s born male in the dairy industry? What do you call pigs that have no space and accidentally crush their piglets while hearing their screams because their legs cannot stand anymore? What do you call being surrounded by your excrement 24/7 and the only sunlight you get is on the way to the slaughter house? Stop defending abusers.

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                    in torture inflicting pain or distress is the point. if all of these procedures could be done without the pain or distress, they would be. the pain or distress is incidental. it’s not torture. qed

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                    What do you call separating a mother from her baby and killing him because he’s born male in the dairy industry

                    the vast majority of calves are brought to full weight before slaughter, but this isn’t torture either.