Disinformation campaigns don’t necessarily need to come up with new rhetoric, they just need to normalize it so that it appears more acceptable to some people. Amplifying and normalizing this sort of thing among certain groups helps to solidify their views and further radicalize them.
It’s like any other form of advertising, you try to find something that sticks then beat it to death. Then you find something else, and repeat the process. In this case the antisemitic rhetoric is still unfortunately effective.
Except there is evidence of so-called troll factories in places like St. Petersburg hidden in plain sight in regular buildings where Russians pass off as other nationalities (like Americans and the French) to poison public discourse online. It’s one thing to make stuff up and another to expose what happens where there is undeniable evidence.
I feel its worth noting that this article suggests the actions of this group is/was centered on the war happening in Ukraine . I’m not sure what the other person was saying but it does not follow , nor is it reasonable to conclude from this information alone that these agents operate on other topics .
Well, of course, it’s a huge topic and that’s just one article that supports the idea. I’d need to link to several to cover the bases. I didn’t have time yesterday to write an essay before I headed out. The point of the link wasn’t to back up exactly what I’m saying but to give a rough idea that I’m not just making the whole thing up.
If you want something more in-depth on the Facebook campaigns that dives into the 2016 election, try An Ugly Truth by Frenkel & Kang. Several chapters are dedicated to how these troll farms were discovered and how they used the platform to reach their audience.
Still, I invite you to do a basic search on this topic and if you need me to dig up some articles for you I can see what I can find, it’s not that hard to figure it out.
my point isn’t to say that the ellection interference in 2016 did not happen , but that I don’t think its reasonable to assert that a topic is being influenced by Russian trolls by virtue of it being something Russia might have a vague interest in .
not to say that any suspicions are invalid , of course , but again from what I understand , Russia has a very “one topic at a time” approach , which should be taken to mean there is a limited number of affected communities , which from past examples appear “home grown” .
“vague interest”? I think you’re severely downplaying their intentions for whatever reason. Russia has plenty to gain from the destabilization of the West.
Russia has a very “one topic at a time” approach
What do you base this on? And why would this impede them from trying? You make it sound like this lies in the hands of a handful of people or that it’s not a sizeable operation. And can you give “homegrown” examples that can be shown not to be influenced by Russian disinformants?
How is this the same thing? lol I literally linked you to an official website about this very thing being uncovered. I don’t even know how to respond to you because you make no sense.
honestly I don’t think your conclusion is that accurate as you are missing a common factor between RT/Sputnik and MAGA : both are right wing nationalists .
while from what I remember there is some evidence showing that the raise of the new alt-right in the US is not fully organic , I feel like saying their views are just astroturfed end of discussion is quite pointless .
just to make my point clear : Israel also has a online propaganda campaign which often aligns itself with the views of the Democratic party in the US . one could say something along the lines of “It couldn’t be any clearer. What are the odds that Democrat views nearly in 100% [of cases] overlaps with Israeli best interests?” suggesting that the entirety of the Democratic party’s support is artificial , which is made easier by the exsiance of Israeli funded political organizations in the US .
but this is of course bullshit . the impact of Israel’s foreign politics is not the entirely of the Democratic party , nor is it correct to say that everyone who says anything positive about the Democratic party is a “Hasbara troll” . (also of course as neonazis on twitter have realised , Trump is as also affected by these forces , no you don’t want to know)
I believe this also should be applied to the other side : Trump has tapped into preexisting American sentiments towards right wing nationalism and with a mixture of luck , charisma and support from both national and foreign interest groups rallied them around himself .
mind you I’m not saying this to paint the views of Trump’s supporters as legitimate , I hold quite opposite views , but because I think your analysis is limited .
lets take the EU as an example : an American nationalist will quite naturally hold some distrust of foreign blocks , which is then compounded by the EU having some liberal policies . its not necessary for a foreign entity to artificially create these views since they are a natural extension of other views this political group has .
Because russia heavily influence those talking points.
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Disinformation campaigns don’t necessarily need to come up with new rhetoric, they just need to normalize it so that it appears more acceptable to some people. Amplifying and normalizing this sort of thing among certain groups helps to solidify their views and further radicalize them.
It’s like any other form of advertising, you try to find something that sticks then beat it to death. Then you find something else, and repeat the process. In this case the antisemitic rhetoric is still unfortunately effective.
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Pointing out these talking points are being artificially amplified by actors whose sole purpose is to damage society is normalizing them?
Except there is evidence of so-called troll factories in places like St. Petersburg hidden in plain sight in regular buildings where Russians pass off as other nationalities (like Americans and the French) to poison public discourse online. It’s one thing to make stuff up and another to expose what happens where there is undeniable evidence.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-exposes-sick-russian-troll-factory-plaguing-social-media-with-kremlin-propaganda
I feel its worth noting that this article suggests the actions of this group is/was centered on the war happening in Ukraine . I’m not sure what the other person was saying but it does not follow , nor is it reasonable to conclude from this information alone that these agents operate on other topics .
Yes but to them everything has to be Russias fault even when it’s just what the republican party has been for decades.
I guess I shouldn’t have thought there was logic in this meme
Well, of course, it’s a huge topic and that’s just one article that supports the idea. I’d need to link to several to cover the bases. I didn’t have time yesterday to write an essay before I headed out. The point of the link wasn’t to back up exactly what I’m saying but to give a rough idea that I’m not just making the whole thing up.
If you want something more in-depth on the Facebook campaigns that dives into the 2016 election, try An Ugly Truth by Frenkel & Kang. Several chapters are dedicated to how these troll farms were discovered and how they used the platform to reach their audience.
Still, I invite you to do a basic search on this topic and if you need me to dig up some articles for you I can see what I can find, it’s not that hard to figure it out.
my point isn’t to say that the ellection interference in 2016 did not happen , but that I don’t think its reasonable to assert that a topic is being influenced by Russian trolls by virtue of it being something Russia might have a vague interest in .
not to say that any suspicions are invalid , of course , but again from what I understand , Russia has a very “one topic at a time” approach , which should be taken to mean there is a limited number of affected communities , which from past examples appear “home grown” .
“vague interest”? I think you’re severely downplaying their intentions for whatever reason. Russia has plenty to gain from the destabilization of the West.
What do you base this on? And why would this impede them from trying? You make it sound like this lies in the hands of a handful of people or that it’s not a sizeable operation. And can you give “homegrown” examples that can be shown not to be influenced by Russian disinformants?
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How is this the same thing? lol I literally linked you to an official website about this very thing being uncovered. I don’t even know how to respond to you because you make no sense.
Do you have a condition that makes you incapable of putting together a logically coherent response or are you being intentionally obtuse?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_measures
Compare MAGA talking points with news on Russia Today or Sputnik.
Ask your MAGA friends what they think about the EU, NATO, UN, Ukraine, Zelensky, Putin, Biden, Trump then compare with Russian interests.
It couldn’t be any clearer. What are the odds that MAGA views nearly in 100% overlaps with Russian best interests?
honestly I don’t think your conclusion is that accurate as you are missing a common factor between RT/Sputnik and MAGA : both are right wing nationalists .
while from what I remember there is some evidence showing that the raise of the new alt-right in the US is not fully organic , I feel like saying their views are just astroturfed end of discussion is quite pointless .
just to make my point clear : Israel also has a online propaganda campaign which often aligns itself with the views of the Democratic party in the US . one could say something along the lines of “It couldn’t be any clearer. What are the odds that Democrat views nearly in 100% [of cases] overlaps with Israeli best interests?” suggesting that the entirety of the Democratic party’s support is artificial , which is made easier by the exsiance of Israeli funded political organizations in the US .
but this is of course bullshit . the impact of Israel’s foreign politics is not the entirely of the Democratic party , nor is it correct to say that everyone who says anything positive about the Democratic party is a “Hasbara troll” . (also of course as neonazis on twitter have realised , Trump is as also affected by these forces , no you don’t want to know)
I believe this also should be applied to the other side : Trump has tapped into preexisting American sentiments towards right wing nationalism and with a mixture of luck , charisma and support from both national and foreign interest groups rallied them around himself .
mind you I’m not saying this to paint the views of Trump’s supporters as legitimate , I hold quite opposite views , but because I think your analysis is limited .
lets take the EU as an example : an American nationalist will quite naturally hold some distrust of foreign blocks , which is then compounded by the EU having some liberal policies . its not necessary for a foreign entity to artificially create these views since they are a natural extension of other views this political group has .