They decriminalized it during Lenin in Russia and Ukrain only but acceptance didn’t really arrive, attitudes were mixed at best. At around 1925, if I remember correctly, it was labelled a mental disorder and after Stalin took power it was criminalised again with a minimum of 5 years of forced labour sentence. Any organising by gay people was labeled a fascist or anti revolutionary movement and punishments for that were much harsher.
So for a brief period of about 8 years attitudes were better than a lot of the world but it was by no means a good place to be gay. And for the rest of the USSR existence it was a lot worse.
If you mean that everyone was subject to murder and repression equally in the Soviet Union (not just gay or trans people), then you’re right.
I watched a documentary on the Soviet Union that discussed Gorbachev at one point. He was from farm country. His paternal grandfather disliked the collectivization of the farms and was sent to the gulag. His maternal grandfather supported the collectivization of the farms and worked for the local farm collective. He was also send to the gulag…
No I mean exactly what I had said, and no I am speaking of pre Stalins USSR.
Russia was incredibly poor and exploited by the west as well as they’re own ruling class pre USSR, things got much better for the Russian working class and its truly astonishing that a country of that time and coming from such turmoil would legalise homosexuality especially when contrasted with western countries.
So you’re talking about the 2 year period after the USSR was ravaged by civil war?
Serving in the Russian Civil War before overseeing the Soviet Union’s establishment in 1922, he rose to leader of the country following Lenin’s death in 1924.
Dude, just read their link. The Russian Soviet Republic from 1917 - 1933 (which also sported the hammer and sickle) was (for its time) extremely friendly to homosexual people.
They simply erroneously spoke of the precursor to the USSR as the USSR.
Given the topic it’s not a big issue, especially since soviet republics as well as the hammer and sickle iconography predate the USSR by quite some time.
Steelmaning peoples arguments is cool, strawmaning them not.
Yeah it isn’t like Imperial Russia had a framework for LGBT acceptance. That there was any period at all of acceptance, legal or otherwise, was revolutionary.
Pre Stalin USSR was accepting of sexuality.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_history_in_the_Soviet_Union
If someone had a Stalinist tattoo that would be another matter but the hammer and sickle or the raised fist are both for the working class.
Let’s not forget that this was the time of chemical castration, murder and repression in the “civilised” countries
They decriminalized it during Lenin in Russia and Ukrain only but acceptance didn’t really arrive, attitudes were mixed at best. At around 1925, if I remember correctly, it was labelled a mental disorder and after Stalin took power it was criminalised again with a minimum of 5 years of forced labour sentence. Any organising by gay people was labeled a fascist or anti revolutionary movement and punishments for that were much harsher.
So for a brief period of about 8 years attitudes were better than a lot of the world but it was by no means a good place to be gay. And for the rest of the USSR existence it was a lot worse.
If you mean that everyone was subject to murder and repression equally in the Soviet Union (not just gay or trans people), then you’re right.
I watched a documentary on the Soviet Union that discussed Gorbachev at one point. He was from farm country. His paternal grandfather disliked the collectivization of the farms and was sent to the gulag. His maternal grandfather supported the collectivization of the farms and worked for the local farm collective. He was also send to the gulag…
No I mean exactly what I had said, and no I am speaking of pre Stalins USSR.
Russia was incredibly poor and exploited by the west as well as they’re own ruling class pre USSR, things got much better for the Russian working class and its truly astonishing that a country of that time and coming from such turmoil would legalise homosexuality especially when contrasted with western countries.
So you’re talking about the 2 year period after the USSR was ravaged by civil war?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin
Dude, just read their link. The Russian Soviet Republic from 1917 - 1933 (which also sported the hammer and sickle) was (for its time) extremely friendly to homosexual people.
They simply erroneously spoke of the precursor to the USSR as the USSR.
Given the topic it’s not a big issue, especially since soviet republics as well as the hammer and sickle iconography predate the USSR by quite some time.
Steelmaning peoples arguments is cool, strawmaning them not.
Yeah it isn’t like Imperial Russia had a framework for LGBT acceptance. That there was any period at all of acceptance, legal or otherwise, was revolutionary.