• Gutek8134@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    4
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    23 days ago

    Violence is not the answer, it’s the question, and the answer is always yes.

    ~Doomguy

  • Mango@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    3
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    23 days ago

    I’m not even against the killing of people. Only suffering bothers me.

    • 5714@lemmy.dbzer0.comOP
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      3
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      23 days ago

      Hey, you most likely weren’t raised vegan, too. I’d also argue that to oppose suffering, you have to give individuals (i.e./that is people) some sort of worth, but then most killing doesn’t check out.

      • Mango@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        23 days ago

        Naw, I know some people with negative worth who still shouldn’t be suffering. In fact, I’m pretty sure they’re suffering from their lack of worth. This is a matter of ethics, not value.

        • 5714@lemmy.dbzer0.comOP
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          22 days ago

          Those might be suffering from lack of self-worth, but making difference between people’s worth opens up a can of ethical mold. Misanthropy is one thing, but the value of human life is untouchable.

          • Mango@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            2
            arrow-down
            3
            ·
            22 days ago

            No, that attitude is simple evolutionary pressure to stay alive. The value of a human is no different from the value of a cow ethically, and I’ll eat cow. I don’t want either to suffer. Some people are economically far less valuable than cows.

            • 5714@lemmy.dbzer0.comOP
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              2
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              22 days ago

              Cultural evolution > Social Darwinism

              Do you eat human? From a “farm”? Or shot “in the wild”?

              Right to exist is not touched by effort.

              Do you know what would reduce suffering for both cow and human?

              • Mango@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                2
                arrow-down
                3
                ·
                22 days ago

                Nobody has a right to exist. You have to fight just like anything else.

                • 5714@lemmy.dbzer0.comOP
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  3
                  arrow-down
                  2
                  ·
                  22 days ago

                  I really hope for your environment that you don’t actually believe or implement this.

  • xia@lemmy.sdf.org
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    2
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    22 days ago

    So THAT’S why i only eat meat when i’m in front of my vegan friends!

  • 5714@lemmy.dbzer0.comOP
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    1
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    22 days ago

    Hey, you most likely weren’t raised vegan, too. I’d also argue that to oppose suffering, you have to give individuals (i.e./that is people) some sort of worth, but then killing that isn’t self-defense doesn’t check out.

  • Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    2
    arrow-down
    5
    ·
    edit-2
    22 days ago

    Vegans: Idiots who don’t realize humans are omnivores Despite our antiseptic light switch upbringing the majority of us have no problem with that. There are just a few out there like vegans who think they have the right to dictate to the rest of us. Like religious god botherers. You know like the MAGA’s I see no differences from the hardline stance the magas take and the vegans. Pretty much the same kind of nutjob with differing rhetoric.

    As a result I dismiss all of these very similar nutjobs opinion.