Went to a restaurant in LA today and when I got the check I noticed that it was a bit higher than it should be. Then I noticed this 18% service charge. So… We, as customers, need to help pay for their servers instead of the owners paying their servers a living wage. And on top of that they have suggested tip. I called bs on this. I will bet you that the servers do not see a dime of this 18% service charge. [deleted a word so it wasn’t a grammatical horror to read]

  • SCB@lemmy.worldEnglish
    436·
    11 months ago

    This conclusions requires two separate assumptions from you that are not evidence-based

    • Cybermass@lemmy.worldEnglish
      104·
      11 months ago

      The sun’s core being filled with a quark plasma soup instead of, for example cotton candy, is also an assumption that is not evidence-based.

      It’s almost like we as humans can use logic and reason to determine things to be extremely significantly probable without having proof in our hands.

      • SCB@lemmy.worldEnglish
        213·
        11 months ago

        The sun’s composition is absolutely evidence-based.

        https://www.mssl.ucl.ac.uk/www_solar/PUS/PO/howstudy.html#:~:text=The interior of the Sun,this part of the Sun.

        You’re making the assumption that 1: this money is embezzled by the owner

        2: people are less likely to tip

        You’re also making a third: that servers receiving less pay won’t go elsewhere

        Whereas we extrapolate from data to understand the Sun (moving from evidence to conclusion) you are starting with your expected result and then manufacturing caused (embezzlement, lack of tips)

        This is the opposite of using “logic and reason”

        • CmdrShepard@lemmy.oneEnglish
          3·
          11 months ago

          I believe you made the argument stating that this is going to reduce server’s wages and if these fees aren’t going to employees and its not the business owner keeping them, then where could that money possibly be going?

          • SCB@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            11 months ago

            No I said people wanting to move servers to a set hourly wage would reduce their wages.

            • CmdrShepard@lemmy.oneEnglish
              11·
              11 months ago

              But where’s the logic and reason in this opinion? The other guy is “making assumptions” by saying this will improve conditions when they don’t have to beg for tips, and here you’re saying their wages will go down without any facts or evidence immediately after your snarky analogy about the sun’s position. Ridiculous.

              • SCB@lemmy.worldEnglish
                2·
                11 months ago

                That’s not the point I was making though. If the servers are tipped less due to this policy (the other person’s claim) and make less money, they’re likely to quit because serving has extremely high turnover anyway

                However -

                Servers regularly are tipped above “target percentages.” This is a fact - especially once you consider places with low cost-per-plate (diners etc). If you pay them 15% of total sales or whatever you’re essentially capping tips at 15%, lowering their wages.