There are some other things transpiring in American politics right now. But we must note that Democratic leaders are now unabashedly stating what Bernie Sanders supporters said over and over in 2020: the party pushed Joe Biden primarily to stop Bernie.
Biden got my last ever vote for a corporate candidate. I vowed I’m never doing the pied piper bullshit again after 2020. If Dems want my vote they can try to earn it with real candidates. They could help prop up Satan himself on the GOP side to make their corpo dem look pallatable, I’m wholly done with the lesser evil shit. It needs to end, it’s costing us our democracy and will never, ever produce an opportunity for real change.
So you’re going to vote republican then?
Not vote at all?
If you’re not voting get off your soapbox and fucking vote!
Sounds like somebody is mad that Biden is unpopular.
You should call your congresspeople about it.
I’m voting Uncommitted for presidential if Biden doesn’t step down. If he does step down that’s enough of a referendum on his Israel policy that I’m willing to vote for his replacement in this context, but Biden needs to go. He’s not only a deeply immoral person, he’s now literally unelectable.
Democrats need to show actual signs of being able to listen. Not rhetoric or empty promises, but actual meaningful action. If they are unable to listen and submit to their constituency then they have no useful potential.
If they want to continue playing chicken then that’s on them and we’ll deal with the consequences of that when they come.
We have a first past the post-voting system and two major parties. You never vote FOR anyone. You only vote AGAINST who you hate more.
Voting third party or not voting is exactly equivalent to voting for whoever you hate most of the top two candidates.
The things I just said are facts. Logically proven. Look up CPG Grey’s FPTP video if you want an easy primer.
So then the question just remains, do you think both candidates are equally horrible? If the answer is yes, then your strategy is correct. But if you think one of the two is slightly more horrible, that’s the one you should be voting against.
I know how how our broken voting system works. You are trying to condescend, the same way neoliberals do when people won’t vote the way they want. It won’t work.
I believe that genocide is wrong and runs counter to every single progressive policy and principle, and for that reason it’s literally impossible for any candidate that supports genocide to represent me or my interests. I don’t care what they say they will do or what they claim to believe, a candidate’s genocide support trumps any other consideration. Even when it comes to things those candidates might do that may benefit me or if the alternative threatens my privledged position and safety. I can’t be bribed with policy or threatened into compromising on genocide.
If neither candidate can bring themselves to stop being genocidal, then I will vote to inflict a political price on the side that’s least far-right. And I will do it again, and again until either that party recognizes the need to move left out of basic need for political survival or we reach the end of this farsical game of corporate duopoly grab-ass and it simply comes to blows with the fascists.
We cannot buy more time with lesser evils. We tried that. The time we bought over the past 50 years has been squandered, and now we’re left with only really hard choices, none of which are good. You can thank stubborn, racist narcissists like Joe Biden.
Ok, so you think both are equally bad. That’s fine.
I personally disagree, but that’s because I worry for my daughters and gay friends.
Trans enby here.
I’m focused on evacuating as many of my queer sibs from red zones as possible before Trump takes office, which is inevitable because liberals would rather drive away potential allies than admit that their electoral strategy might be flawed.
You don’t understand the American political system. The President isn’t King.
Bernie couldn’t have done more. It’s a Republican Supreme Court and Congress. Biden has done a great job with the limited power he has.
No shit. You know what he is though? Head of the executive and commander in chief with veto on legislation. And he also has the single most visible bully pulpit on the planet earth.
He’s not helpless and I will not entertain a conversation in which we pretend he is or one where asking him not to give his full-throated support to the mass starvation and bombing of fucking babies and innocent men and women is “the best he can do.”.
Get the genocide apologia out of here.
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That is not a reasonable response to someone having a cooler opinion than you.
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Not a coherent response.
See, in America we have a two party system. It isn’t great but it’s what we have. As the oldest constitutional democracy, they made a ton of progress but didn’t quite understand parties and how the systems set up would play out. Under this system, you don’t get a great candidate to vote for. You get a middle of the road lukewarm candidate. And now we get that and a complete crazypants candidate. Choosing to not vote against the complete crazypants candidate because the lukewarm one isn’t your ideal candidate is such an obvious trap that a lot of people think only Russian bots can fall for it. I’m not quite that optimistic. I know people are susceptible to propaganda, and if you throw on a heaping pile of repeated disappointment it’s an excellent environment for it to work.
So, it was a fairly coherent response. But not for people who are Russian bots, or in the throws of apathy from a huge disinformation campaign and just generally awful human existence. Honestly? I hope everything gets better for you too. Cause it doesn’t look like life is great for Russian bots or republicans or disillusioned people who don’t know where to turn. Best of luck my dude (or bot)
Genocide support is not lukewarm nor middle of the road. It’s entirely unacceptable. You might be willing to compromise over the deliberate starvation and slaughter of hundreds of thousands of people, I’m not and literally nothing you say can make me “come round” to the idea that a little genocide is ok to save my own skin.
Because people like you allow democrats to continue getting away with dircing ineffectual, right-wing politics under the excuse that there are only two oarties, therefore we tye voters work for the politicians instead of vice versa.
Your politics are los8ng us our democracy. Time to stop.
No. It wasn’t. It was literally that they had no otger defense for their political position than “If you’re not neoliberal/right-wing you’re a rusdian bot”. It’s incoherent because Biden will lose this election, people making excuses for him and the political strategy that landed ys in this situation are the ones who are more likely sock puppets and trolls.
yeah, cause Donald trump doesn’t support genocide too.
There’s no discussion here. You get one or the other.
No amount of not voting changes the result to the point where you aren’t getting Trump or Biden.
With trump you lose the progress people have fought for. With Biden you get status quo bullshit. At least the status quo preserves the efforts of the past people can still build on in the future. It’s a non argument. Every one of your points is irrelevant for this election right now.
So I guess we gotta realize you’re just a bot after all. This election matters. Every election matters. But progress isn’t only made during major presidential elections, there’s plenty of ways to keep moving the needle outside of this. I won’t be wasting further time with you. But hopefully people reading don’t fall into the same trap you have or are paid to present.
Don’t forget: if we get Trump and manage to continue to have elections, the DNC can and will throw up an even shittier pro-corporate, center-right candidate against Trump and still claim the high ground.
I love this. It’s a perfect example. If we manage to continue having elections is on the ballet. It’s actually in question.
The other side being crap is completely irrelevant at that point. It’s absurd that I of all people am telling you to vote for Joe Biden, who I don’t agree with about anything. I think Bernie was too to the right for me personally.
Do there need to be fundamental changes? Absolutely, when you can’t vote for anyone at all it’s going to be much harder to affect the change you want.
I disagree.
An end to the farce that is democracy in America would actually make it easier to affect change, because we wouldn’t be wasting time yelling at each other to vote anymore and could actually focus on direct action.
No. Fuck this. GOP supporting a genocide does not make it ok for Democrats.
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Which is why the only option for people who actually believe genocide support is non-negotiable is voting Uncommitted.
Joe Biden is not minimizing Israel’s genocide, he’s actively facilitating it to the maximum extent. There’s no way for you to vote Joe Biden and pretend you’re the anti-genocide. No amount of rhetorical backflips will change that you’re voting for a genocide supporter.
You might not like that hard realization that that is what you are now, but that’s what your vote communicates to Democrats; “I accept genocide support as part of the party platform and am willing to go as far to the extreme right as you want, as long as the otherside is slightly more to the right. I’ll never revolt.”
There is no progress through a party that supports genocide. None. That’s already been established historically. You’re essentially voting exactly like a Republican from the 80s-90s, that’s your “progress”.
Downvoted for an opinion the majority of leftists share. Lemmy really has been overtaken by liberals. Fucking depressing.