• ji17br@lemmy.ml
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    21
    arrow-down
    8
    ·
    3 months ago

    You are definitely wrong, there is a market for it. It’s clearly not as big as it currently is, but there are absolutely people that families and work some sort of construction or farming job where a truck is necessary, and carrying more than 3 people comfortably is also necessary. And two vehicles is also not feasible.

    • zalgotext@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      9
      arrow-down
      4
      ·
      3 months ago

      That market is astronomically smaller than the amount of these large pickups with huge cabs being sold.

      • ji17br@lemmy.ml
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        10
        arrow-down
        3
        ·
        3 months ago

        Yes, that’s what I said. Doesn’t change the fact that the market does in fact exist, unlike the comment I replied to was claiming.

    • John_McMurray@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      5
      arrow-down
      7
      ·
      edit-2
      3 months ago

      I mean, fuck, I own a bar and need a pickup truck simply because how else am I gonna return 250 empty cases of beer to recycling? I ain’t putting that smell in an enclosed van and if I got an open trailer, I’d need a truck to tow it anyways. (I actually do have a van, I use it in winter and rainy days for picking up full beer cases, doesn’t have near the weight capacity of the truck although using the same motor and getting similar mileage)

      • Katana314@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        4
        ·
        3 months ago

        Okay…so you need a truck to haul beer cans. What’s wrong with the simple low-profile one for that job?

        The criticism is on freak hybrid SUV-trucks.

        • John_McMurray@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          arrow-down
          6
          ·
          edit-2
          3 months ago

          Do you know how much 250 empty cases of 24 bottles weighs? Its a lot more than the little one can hold. I had to construct 2x4 stake panels up to the height of the roof as it was with a full size long bed, in order to avoid making 3 trips (twenty miles to the depot), and it would take five with that little truck that can’t even hit highway speed. It also can’t tow my fifth wheel camper. (From 1983, before I get the rich person problems accusation. I ain’t rich, I’m rural and handy enough buy old shit cheap)

      • daltotron@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        3
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        3 months ago

        I’d need a truck to tow it anyways.

        Common misconception, but you do not, and a folding trailer hooked up to a car with a tow rating capable of pulling it takes up much less overall space when it’s folded up than the truck will most of the time. You’ll also probably get better gas mileage, which is a bonus, plus better pedestrian safety, less force going into a car crash which collectively makes everyone on the road safer, and makes it safer to crash into stationary objects, decreased roadwear, things of this nature. This sort of trailer setup is done all the time in europe, as another comment concurs.

        • John_McMurray@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          arrow-down
          4
          ·
          edit-2
          3 months ago

          I’m not putting 3000 lbs of beer bottles on a trailer behind a (modern) car. It’s borderline unsafe and over car capacity. You’re talking to a CDL holder, I do know s thing or two about pulling trailers. Cars domt have full frames anymore, that’s only one of the many reasons this bad idea

          • __dev@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            2
            ·
            3 months ago

            3000 lbs is well within the towing capacity of a VW Golf with a braked trailer. Not to mention a van.

            • John_McMurray@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              arrow-down
              2
              ·
              3 months ago

              LOL. I just looked up tongue weight max on a golf. 300 pounds. They’re literally useless and dangerous for towing anything over 1000lbs.

              • __dev@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                2
                ·
                3 months ago

                All those Europeans towing with their small cars must just be my imagination then.

                • John_McMurray@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  arrow-down
                  4
                  ·
                  edit-2
                  3 months ago

                  Seems like it. Or maybe you’ve no sense of scale, don’t know what you’re looking at. Max tongue weight like that, a person would nearly have to balance 3000 lbs on the trailer axle, 1800 front, 1200 rear or so. Recipe for a whipping trailer.

            • John_McMurray@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              arrow-down
              3
              ·
              edit-2
              3 months ago

              Said three thousand pound load, that does not include the trailer. Gross weights gonna be 4500, 5000 ish. Vans are generally pickup truck drivelines this continent, so no real difference there for mileage.

              • __dev@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                3
                arrow-down
                1
                ·
                3 months ago

                No difference in mileage, maybe. Certainly a huge difference in danger to pedestrians and cyclists.

      • ji17br@lemmy.ml
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        5
        arrow-down
        3
        ·
        3 months ago

        Nope sorry, you actually don’t exist. OP says it’s impossible for someone to need a truck.

      • rekorse@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        3
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        3 months ago

        So without the pickup truck, you’d still be able to do it with an alternative.