No, I don’t think that’s how you interact with those people, and I didn’t make the assumption that you did.
But, when people feel strongly about something (to where that’s your preferred word choice, and likely your internal feeling on the matter) that comes across, consciously or otherwise, and blocks communication. Ever talk to someone who’s all friendly in word, but you know they would be screaming at you if they could?
It shows.
I don’t need a lesson in diplomacy asshole [etc]
Clearly not. Your diplomacy is the stuff of legends.
This inflated sense of “Freedom of Speech” in people doesn’t just come with a caveat of belief that they can say what they want without consequences it also comes with a belief that they are entitled to broadcast wherever they see fit irrespective of circumstance or harm
Uh-huh. …your capacity to hold to your own principles appears to be lacking. I don’t entirely agree with your principles, anyways, but at least they could be consistently applied. There is a massive difference between bullying and simply discussing something. I have seen bullying occur in sidelong ways. But not everybody who discusses this stuff is doing so. There are real considerations that need to be addressed, and people will address them, in time - partly through conversations wherever people meet up, including sometimes on-the-clock at work. I can say what I’d do in your situation whether it’s bullying or otherwise, but you’re clearly disinterested in that.
It’s not always going to be better elsewhere, that’s true. But what you can’t work around and won’t leave, you need to work with. And although it’s a lot to carry, that puts the ball in your court. People aren’t born knowing you and being familiar with your situation, your quirks, your experiences, your history. That’s you. Not them. The rest comes from communication.
…and if that doesn’t work, you go your own ways, or fight, I suppose. That’s life, and it’s the foundation of all this civilization, and of all things we’ve discovered that are generally better than simply fighting. But if those better things don’t work, it’s back to the foundation.
Let me be clear. You come across as smug. Complacent. Self centered. Your privilege places you in a position where your deal is accepted as the norm… But when you preach from that position don’t expect anyone who doesn’t share your position to thank you for it. Your reaction to the frustration is essentially to say “Well that’s tough but that’s how it is.” Which is in so many words just saying “Fuck you.”
“Oh I’m not going to read all that but here’s my opinion anyway” is saying “Oh you aren’t deserving of my most basic consideration”.
Your ‘diplomacy’ lacks humanity. It’s just a thin veneer. Really you are a content bystander who self soothes that really there isn’t anything you should be doing because really that would be taking sides. All I said is that the consequences of those people’s actions are I find them a nuisance to be around and here you are finding that so offensive that you feel the need to dicker me into saying that what they are doing is fine actually and that it doesn’t cause me any adverse mental health effects or physical stress symptoms… So what you want me to lie to make you feel better about doing nothing? No let’s face it you want to do worse than nothing. You want to shore up the positions of and act as the white knight for the people who find it perfectly acceptable to make my workplace harder to be in.
You are an asshole who doesn’t want to have a discussion in earnest, you just want to have a venue to feel superior. Like some bastion of decorum and logic while lacking any flexibility of thought. You are just a troll and you have had enough of my time.
Let me be clear: your opinion matters little to me, because you’re not willing to work together with others that have a different world view. …just another unidentified zealot.
No, I don’t think that’s how you interact with those people, and I didn’t make the assumption that you did.
But, when people feel strongly about something (to where that’s your preferred word choice, and likely your internal feeling on the matter) that comes across, consciously or otherwise, and blocks communication. Ever talk to someone who’s all friendly in word, but you know they would be screaming at you if they could?
It shows.
Clearly not. Your diplomacy is the stuff of legends.
Uh-huh. …your capacity to hold to your own principles appears to be lacking. I don’t entirely agree with your principles, anyways, but at least they could be consistently applied. There is a massive difference between bullying and simply discussing something. I have seen bullying occur in sidelong ways. But not everybody who discusses this stuff is doing so. There are real considerations that need to be addressed, and people will address them, in time - partly through conversations wherever people meet up, including sometimes on-the-clock at work. I can say what I’d do in your situation whether it’s bullying or otherwise, but you’re clearly disinterested in that.
It’s not always going to be better elsewhere, that’s true. But what you can’t work around and won’t leave, you need to work with. And although it’s a lot to carry, that puts the ball in your court. People aren’t born knowing you and being familiar with your situation, your quirks, your experiences, your history. That’s you. Not them. The rest comes from communication.
…and if that doesn’t work, you go your own ways, or fight, I suppose. That’s life, and it’s the foundation of all this civilization, and of all things we’ve discovered that are generally better than simply fighting. But if those better things don’t work, it’s back to the foundation.
Let me be clear. You come across as smug. Complacent. Self centered. Your privilege places you in a position where your deal is accepted as the norm… But when you preach from that position don’t expect anyone who doesn’t share your position to thank you for it. Your reaction to the frustration is essentially to say “Well that’s tough but that’s how it is.” Which is in so many words just saying “Fuck you.”
“Oh I’m not going to read all that but here’s my opinion anyway” is saying “Oh you aren’t deserving of my most basic consideration”.
Your ‘diplomacy’ lacks humanity. It’s just a thin veneer. Really you are a content bystander who self soothes that really there isn’t anything you should be doing because really that would be taking sides. All I said is that the consequences of those people’s actions are I find them a nuisance to be around and here you are finding that so offensive that you feel the need to dicker me into saying that what they are doing is fine actually and that it doesn’t cause me any adverse mental health effects or physical stress symptoms… So what you want me to lie to make you feel better about doing nothing? No let’s face it you want to do worse than nothing. You want to shore up the positions of and act as the white knight for the people who find it perfectly acceptable to make my workplace harder to be in.
You are an asshole who doesn’t want to have a discussion in earnest, you just want to have a venue to feel superior. Like some bastion of decorum and logic while lacking any flexibility of thought. You are just a troll and you have had enough of my time.
Let me be clear: your opinion matters little to me, because you’re not willing to work together with others that have a different world view. …just another unidentified zealot.
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