• PugJesus@lemmy.world
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    1. This is an imperfect world.

    2. Democracy is necessarily the function of creating coalitions of compromise between literal millions of people, all with different interests and concerns.

    3. Politicians, as a career, self-select for ambition and ego, and that comes with certain implications in even the best of them.

    4. Jesus fucking Christ, is it really so little to not want to die or see my friends and family horribly oppressed?

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        No intermediate steps allowed, no development of material conditions, no war of maneuver. Hole in one or don’t play.

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          This is my strategy for anything artistic… drawing, music, painting, anything like that.

          If I’m not getting offers from the Louvre 30 minutes in… is there really any point at all?

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          yeah i too just free hand an entire bridge in one go, no mathematical checking, or double checking anything, i don’t even get someone else to overlook it, i just wing that shit one handed!

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        I’m not looking for the People’s Democratic Equitocracy, I’m looking to save the United States from its own folly. It’s just one nation. All the U.S. has to do is stop the arms shipments.

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        then don’t

        literally, just don’t. You don’t need to care, nobody is asking you to care. It may seem brash, but sit down and think about it for a bit.

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          Tons of people are asking me to care. They say that I’m not a good citizen if I don’t pay attention to the news, even if it upsets me.

          “If you’re not angry you haven’t been paying attention.”

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            ask them why they care if you care.

            Ask yourself why you care if they care.

            unless the problem is directly related to you, there is simply very little that can immediately be done about the problem, and if there is very little that can be done about it, do the minimal amount of effort needed to accomplish something and move on, or simply don’t worry about it.

            Not everybody in society has to care about the same problems. Find something that you can make a difference in, and make a difference in that thing. You’ll be doing your part for society.

            Be mad about things that you can be productive on, not things that you can’t be, otherwise you can’t be productive.

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      is it really so little to not want to die or see my friends and family horribly oppressed?

      well i mean it depends on what you mean by this, you will inevitably die, so, idk how you plan on getting around that one. Oppression is an incredibly broad and complex topic, or the simplest of them with no indirect explanation. The answer is the same though, do shit to change public sentiment.

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      Look, I will tick the Kamala box. I do indeed believe that Trump is a bad candidate and will oppress many people. But I don’t want people to feel like this shit is normal. Back in the late 1970’s to the 1990’s, nobody would have thought that both parties would end up supporting the same genocide, with one being a little less pumped. Or maybe even the 2000’s, when the War on Terror was thought to be conducted humanely. We have lived in an imperfect world before, along with millions of people, and politicians self-selecting for ambition and ego, and there was nobody calling to wipe an ethnicity off the face of the Earth. I’m not surprised at the Dem party, I’m surprised that there are fascists in the White House and I’m supposed to just accept it as a normal part of democracy. Well, I won’t! Both parties in the United States supporting a genocide requires voting to solve, but it’s purely abnormal! I’m not wanting a world any better than a world we used to have, one where the United States did not conduct ethnic cleansing!

      We live in a nation with the Internet, fast food wherever you go, products that arrive at your door when ordered, touchscreens, full 3D videogames, V-Tubers, the Moon Landing, nuclear reactors, and the White House lighting up in rainbow colors to support LGBT+ rights–yet when asked to stop a genocide, it’s suddenly too much to ask. I would give up so much of these fleeting pleasures to protect human lives. Should I just become a lotus-eater, and neglect the outside world to “act humane”?

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        Back in the late 1970’s to the 1990’s, nobody would have thought that both parties would end up supporting the same genocide, with one being a little less pumped.

        Man, I can absolutely cite examples of both parties supporting genocides in that time period.

        Well, I won’t! Both parties in the United States supporting a genocide requires voting to solve, but it’s purely abnormal! I’m not wanting a world any better than a world we used to have, one where the United States did not conduct ethnic cleansing!

        I… would count myself as an American patriot, but I’m pretty sure the US not committing ethnic cleansing is an extremely recent phenomenon.

        We live in a nation with the Internet, fast food wherever you go, products that arrive at your door when ordered, touchscreens, full 3D videogames, V-Tubers, the Moon Landing, nuclear reactors, and the White House lighting up in rainbow colors to support LGBT+ rights–yet when asked to stop a genocide, it’s suddenly too much to ask. I would give up so much of these fleeting pleasures to protect human lives. Should I just become a lotus-eater, and neglect the outside world to “act humane”?

        Man, if you want to pour all your time and energy into this cause, unironically, go for it. But part of understanding just how vast and fucked the world is also requires one to accept and understand that we can’t fight every battle simultaneously. Hell, most battles aren’t even our’s to fight. And no amount of martyrdom from an individual can change either of those things. I’ve been calling the Israeli genocide for what it is for years now. I’m not exactly sitting here telling you to shut up about it. But we have to be realistic both about what we can achieve and about what we will sacrifice to achieve it.

        You could sacrifice every waking moment of your life, every meal above the level of gruel, every social connection and personal property unrelated to the cause, all for the sake of a .0001% contribution to ending another country’s genocide, but the onus shouldn’t be on you to kill yourself to correct every sin in the world. At some point, it’s not on you or me as individuals.