Every liberal does it too, from center right radlibs to far-right “conservatives”: the most extreme right fringe liberals hate the mainstream liberals for not being bigoted enough, the mainstream libs hate the radlibs for not being cruel enough, and the radlibs hate the left for not being chauvinist enough.

Denouncing chauvinism in particular is like a liberal moral event horizon, a cardinal sin against their self-interested belief in the righteousness of the imperial hegemon that keeps the treats flowing at gunpoint.

  • Pandantic [they/them]@midwest.socialEnglish
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    1 year ago

    I thought it was because, despite wanting things like universal healthcare and welfare supports, they don’t want to let go of capitalism. I’m not from here, and not all the way to where you are, but that’s my outside view.

    • Tachanka [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
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      1 year ago

      despite wanting things like universal healthcare and welfare supports, they don’t want to let go of capitalism

      That’s called social democracy. It is fed by imperialism and shits out a labor aristocracy. The capitalist class uses social democracy in the imperial core to appease the workers and postpone revolution. But it requires exporting suffering to the “developing” (colonized) world.

      You see this in the so called “nordic” countries. People will admire the nordic countries without questioning how imperialism keeps them afloat.

      • Pandantic [they/them]@midwest.socialEnglish
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        1 year ago

        Thanks for the response. That second map is really helpful to put into perspective how much my country (the US) is screwing me, but I’m still trying to wrap my head around the bottom section.

        A few questions if that’s okay:

        The capitalist class uses social democracy in the imperial core to appease the workers and postpone revolution.

        What is the imperial core?

        But it requires exporting suffering to the “developing” (colonized) world.

        Does this mean things like mining lithium, or exporting labor to other countries because it’s cheaper?

        Sorry if these questions sound dumb. I’m a liberal with dreams of socialism in my head, but Hexbear makes me feel like maybe I don’t understand what those dreams actually mean, so I’m trying to get a better understanding.

        • culpritus [any]@hexbear.netEnglish
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          1 year ago

          Just to add a bit of context, there’s a quote about how ‘fascism is imperialism turned inward’.

          It helps to think of the imperial core as like a hierarchy of layers. The US ruling class is at the top of this hierarchy, and the ruling classes of other imperialist nations are next. As the contradictions of capitalism continue to pile up, there is a cannibalization that starts at the furthest periphery. This started with colonization/exploitation of the global south. But over time this has become less effective for various reasons (BRICS being the new big one). There’s a lot of mechanisms the core uses to affect it’s desires on the periphery (IMF conditioned loans, sanctions, embargoes, currency manipulations, capital flight, etc). As these mechanisms are dulled, the exploitation in the periphery starts to encroach up the layers of the hierarchy over time.

          The 2014 coup in Ukraine was a clear step along this path, but it was not the first one by any means. Balkanization was one of the earlier ones, as was Greece. So this is something that will continue as BRICS and other elements of multipolarity increase around the world and particularly in the global south. Capital wants profits via exploitation, and if the profits in the global south become marginal due to the eroding of capital’s power, then capital finds new places to exploit. Often that means turning inward.

          • Pandantic [they/them]@midwest.socialEnglish
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            1 year ago

            But over time this has become less effective for various reasons

            Like the connectedness of their internet and the ability to share with many others when a company is exploiting resources?

            Thanks for the in depth explanation. I had to read it a few times, but I think I understand. It’s so complicated, all the things the wealthy elite can do to change the outcome of things. What you said were strictly institutional, but they can do a lot of things to affect the way the public views these actions and their effects too.