I’ll start, I missed the outdoor cats struggle session so i don’t know what its deal was except a vague idea that outdoor cats were bad, so I’ve let my two cats stay being outdoor cats because I feel bad locking them inside, like I want to give them some experience of freedom to go where they please so they can live more fulfilling lives
Edit: also kruschev is imo a lot better than most hexbear users give him credit for
All vegans are faking it to make me (a man who only eats pepperoni pizza) feel morally inferior. After all, nobody actually eats vegetables, right?
After all, nobody actually eats vegetables, right?
This is something my dad would unironically say lol
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Week starts on a Sunday
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The USA deserved 11\9
out of all the different ways to order dates americans somehow ended up on the least consistent, weirdest one possible and i infinitely resent them for making me double check dates 24/7 on the internet
Accommodating the yanks by calling their national holiday July the Fourth
Why the hell does Canada use all of them? Wtf is wrong with that accursed country?
French people.
Compulsory public school is a topic that could easily turn into a struggle session.
ACAB includes teachers.
I’ll get us started: compulsory public education in a capitalist society is prone to child abuse. It’s where imperial propaganda gets ingrained and where people who want power over children have unlimited access to control them.
Being anti-public education is literally a fascist talking point and one that’s dangerously popular with US conservatives already. Public education is far from perfect, but removing resources will make every single problem with it worse. Besides, teacher’s unions are one of the last viable union careers.
Teachers are cops and being pro teacher is pro cop. Literally if you try to refuse public school as a child, violent enforcement will be threatened and eventually called if you don’t confirm.
Public education is one of the basic principles of any socialist program. Public education was one of the very first things the USSR and Cuba did. Uneducated people fall easier to propaganda.
Okay those are socialist societies. Under capitalism capitalist propaganda is taught. I’m for public education, but not forcing it. Tell me how you can justify using violence on a literal child so they can learn how great slaveowners were and how to be a good working peon.
I’m glad I noticed what was going on before I embarrassed myself by trying to argue.
Beautifully done
it took me a second
@ the upvote ratio of you vs. you
Didn’t even realise it was the same user arguing back and forth with themselves lmao
I think they both made great points.
Literally if you try to refuse public school as a child, violent enforcement will be threatened and eventually called if you don’t confirm.
Not being glib here, but is that bad? I think the world would be a much worse place if certain children were just allowed to op-out of education in a tantrum.
‘School should be optional’ is a half step from ‘bedtimes are authoritarian’.
We can restart the struggle session about when 17 year old children make one big bad decision and that makes them irredeemable for life no matter what end of story. That was a fun struggle session. It’s extra fun because it’s also a far right wing view depending on the mistake, so it gets everyone upset
I saw “17 year old” and I instantly remembered the “power dynamics” struggle sesh
wasn’t that one the one time libsoc was ever right
Yes, but a load of people came out to argue against them anyway which was so fucking cringe, like I became an actual liberalsocialist supporter over that, I almost made an actual “LiberalSocialist appreciation thread” just to fuck with people after it, then couldn’t be bothered - and then they posted AOC was doing what the unions wanted and that support I felt diminished a lot
This was the supplementary struggle session
Edit: also kruschev is imo a lot better than most hexbear users give him credit for
I will have you put in time out for revisionism
Nooooooooo
(But also I actually only posted that to bait a kruschev struggle session so that I could learn more about the guy)
We could do male circumcision, that’s usually nice and contentious.
Permanently cutting off a body part (especially such a sensitive one, especially on a literal baby) without consent or medical necessity is bad, there’s no good argument against that.
The best argument I’ve heard for circumcision in general is hygiene, but like, just pull your foreskin back and wash well, it’s not that hard.
Also reminder that it’s only a thing in America because the Kellogg’s cereal guy thought it would stop masturbation, which it doesn’t even do.
And now the most contentious part:
I feel like most defenders just can’t accept that their dick got messed up for no good reason. Which yeah, it must suck, but don’t do it to others because it was done to you.
There’s not really anything to argue about here, I think everyone can agree that altering a babies genitals is bad. I don’t see how it becomes contentious unless you start including stuff like male initiation rituals into the mix
I’m circumcised, which means I don’t have to wash my dick.
no you still do, trust me
No one else seems to think so. In fact, this seems to be the least controversial statement made on this website in the past week. I think it’s time for you to do a little self criticism.
Do we even have enough people that are pro-circumcision? I think the most contrarian take you’ll get is that it’s not equivalent with FGM like some redditors would say.
It’s definitely nowhere near as bad as FGM, afaik the male equivalent would be cutting off the entire head, but it’s still comparable in that it’s a permanent genital modification done to a baby. I consider it to still technically be mutilation, but I understand using that word can imply equivalence between the two.
I actually have some nuance to throw on the fire, and I’m going to put this behind a CW: because it’s not nice to talk about, but it deals with NGOs misrepresenting cultural practices to further NGO imperialism.
spoiler
Liberal NGO imperialism uses, or at least used to use, FGM as a bludgeon. There are a great diversity of “female circumcision” practices. Some, like infibulation, are horrible and cause enormous damage and trauma. Some involve or more less destructive surgical mutilation, including some practices which are directly analogous to male circumcision. And some, and this is where the NGO imperialism becomes more obvious, don’t involve any cutting or removal of tissue. In some cases a needle is used to produce a drop of blood which is considered sufficient to achieve the necessary ritual cleanliness or whatever. In some cases there’s no blood at all - In one example a needle is held near the clitoral hood and a drop of chicken blood is dabbed on the body - The “circumcision” has become entirely symbolic with no actual harm to the child.
But infibulation and other practices where there is actual cutting are so horrifying to westerners (and many people from the cultures where it’s practiced) that NGOs found if they inform westerners about infibulation, then use the broad term “FGM” to encompass many different practices from across a broad swath of the world. All those cultures would be stained by the association with infibulation, and NGOs could use this to justify whatever interventions they wanted to carry out under a “save the women” campaign.
Okay that’s my take. Carry on.
And unfortunately I don’t have any sources on hand. I looked in to this once, but it was years and years ago.
She was just doing what the unions wanted
We need to resurrect the LiberalSocialist guy and BMF, actually maybe not BMF that might upset the balance of the fediverse a little too much.
bmf is here and posting lmao. they’ve just been sticking to comments. also we banned the angry reincarnation of LiberalSocialist.
BMF is still posting, it’s just that none of their posts have hit the front page of all during federation. We did have one person from another instance stumble upon a BMF post and they got extremely confused.
We did have one person from another instance stumble upon a BMF post and they got extremely confused.
fuck yes this is what we need. we gotta get our ‘hexbear vote manipulation’ on bmf posts
Can we do “please use a washcloth in the shower?”
I think it has the potential to really annoy the core audience here, and also gives room for loofah posting.
I’ll bite: why? its just another rag that I’ll have to run through the wash every like 2 days
Because actually using a wet cloth to scrub something gets it cleaner than just putting soap on it then rinsing. If you think you’re doing a good job scrubbing with your fingers, you aren’t getting nearly as much coverage as you’d get in half the time with a rag.
also exfoliation.
These are baseless assertions - Your skin is covered in a layer of oils and skin that will capture your grime, and will naturally come off with hands and soap in running warm water. Unless you’re regularly covered in like glue or you’re showering every hour then using your hands will absolutely work to the same efficacy.
Exfoliation happens naturally, it does not need artificially scrubbing and materials unless you have a medical condition. My own baseless assertion is that scrubbing with a sponge or rag will remove more oils or skin than you should and instead expose and dry out your skin, making it worse.
using your hands is fine, how dirty are you people that you need to sand your body? I find that everyone who uses a washcloth type of thing uses it several times and not only does it makes the bathroom smell repulsive, but they’re also wiping themselves with a bacteria rag
Its not a matter of abrasion or exfoliation, so much as friction. Soap helps but the primary cleaning mechanism in any shower or bath is manually scrubbing dirt particles away. A washcloth or loofah is objectively better than your hands or a raw bar of soap.
Objectively better at doing what? What goal are you trying to achieve? Does it reduce rates of skin infection? Improve skin health? Make you live longer? Make you happier? It really sounds like conformity to an arbitrary cultural perception of “cleanness” that isn’t related to any actual health or sanitary issues, but rather, dare I say, artificially created by loofah companies to sell more loofahs (which, as biological planet material, are subject to decay and harboring bacteria!)
Objectively better at doing what?
Removing dirt
What goal are you trying to achieve?
Clean balls
Does it reduce rates of skin infection? Improve skin health? Make you live longer? Make you happier?
Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, and also you can wear it as a hat.
It really sounds like conformity to an arbitrary cultural perception of “cleanness” that isn’t related to any actual health or sanitary issues.
I bet you dont use a bidet either.
but rather, dare I say, artificially created by loofah companies to sell more loofahs
I grew mine guerilla gardening in the sump pond a condemned ampartment complex. The complex is condemned because i released native bedbugs and sprayed community-sourced MRSA on the doorhandles in an act of anti-landlord praxis. The loofa gourds are not native however, and have started choking out the grasses of the local dogpark. This is a double blow against DSA PMC gentrification and i am a better leftist than you. I will send you loofa seeds by COD mail. You will grow them. You do not have a choice in this.
which, as biological planet material, are subject to decay and harboring bacteria!
I bet you’re not composting your drain-hair either.
Okay guerilla loofahs is cool as hell. I will start washing my balls now in honor of your good works.
I hate the quote “the master’s tools will never dismantle the master’s house.” I am positive I can demolish his house with his killdozer.
EDIT: I’m pretty sure I got yelled at the last time I posted this lol.
Isn’t that exactly what Marxism is? Dialectics and the contradiction of capitalism that the proletariat are the ones who can perform material action upon reality but the social relation of bourgeois ownership of the MOP alienates the proletariat from doing that in earnest (revolution)
Just do anti-natalism again. That one’s always good
Anti-natalism is old news. We’re onto anti having a family dog
