I’ll clarify for you. I believe these are all different heads of one Hydra, and they’ll either all be attacked at once, or they will attack first and there will be nobody to stop them.
I don’t think it runs that deep. I think we’re just way more aware of these dickheads with the 24 hour news cycle and endless communication on the internet.
I think it runs so much deeper than even politics. Spiritual ignorance is a malignant mind virus. The genocide of Nazis is a symptom of spiritual corruption. I don’t suspect a conscious conspiracy as much as an approaching critical mass. This high energy state is unsustainable. Eventually there will be a short circuit that will ground this ignorance back into reality.
What is spiritual ignorance and spiritual corruption? They just sound like meaningless nonsense phrases meant to point to an ethereal, nebulous common link that you assume exists but can’t identify.
Spiritual ignorance is resistance to gnosis. Gnosis is the realization that consciousness is the basis of the universe, and every atrocity you commit in the name of ego is a wound upon your greater self. It’s why Jesus warned against wealth and earthly authority, and why those authorities murdered him and used his legend to perpetuate their own existence. You don’t even need to believe in spiritualism or Christianity to understand that the material world is only half the story. You go to sleep every night and exist in an entirely new world built upon your own consciousness. Your waking life is just the dream of a higher order of consciousness as well.
If consciousness is the basis of the universe, I would ask you to demonstrate it.
Personally, the only consciousness I’m aware of comes from living, corporeal beings. Science’s best understanding tells me that the universe existed for 10 billion years before the Earth. And the Earth is the only place that I’m aware of consciousness existing. Therefore, in my understanding, consciousness could not possibly be the basis of the universe.
Everything you’ve said sounds like spiritual and religious woo. No thanks, I prefer reality.
I can’t open a closed mind. I would be glad to discuss the topic with you, but I’m not going to waste my time trying to fight you over it. So I’ll ask you, what would you accept as proof? If nothing can prove to you that consciousness is the basis of the universe, then there’s nothing I can say to change your mind.
I will believe anything that has sufficient evidence to believe it is true or likely true. I am skeptical of your claim, but not closed minded.
You believe that this is true, why do you believe it?
If I don’t have any reason to believe it, or in other words, I’ve seen no evidence that leads me to believe it is true, how could I tell you what would prove it? It just seems like you’re trying to shift the burden of proof to me, but you’re the one claiming it is true.
Asking what you’d accept as proof is a reasonable request. If you’re asking me to violate physics or introduce you to God, I can’t do that. I can provide some context that might expand your perspective, but if I waste my time sending you a sincere response only for you to dismiss it without consideration, that serves neither of us. We’re having this conversation because you requested it, and I’ll take it on good faith that you are curious and not just trying to win some imaginary argument.
Additionally, I’ll go ahead and concede that I can’t prove any of this any more than I can prove my own consciousness. I can only describe the landscape as I perceive it, and hope it connects some dots for you as well. First of all, reject any notion of a familiar religion unless you’re already versed in gnosticism and hermeticism. We’ll start with a universal language, mathematics. Since mathematics attempts to describe the universe objectively, it doesn’t have the same biases as religions and philosophies. What I’m going to try to describe is a reality that is an infinite fractal of consciousness.
We know we exist, at least I know I exist and I take it on good faith that I’m not the only conscious person. It seems reasonable that things which operate similarly and which come from the same source share attributes. Our material reality exists, at least in the same way that our individual perspectives exist. That reality seems consistent despite our perspective as individual observers. The evidence so far indicates that reality is a phenomenon that exists on a higher order than our individual consciousness. We know from our observations of reality, that infinities and paradoxes are disguised in every mundane object. The Dichotomy Paradox says you can split a candybar into infinite pieces by slicing each piece into half, but obviously that’s not the case. Everything in the universe is moving, but the illusion of stillness exists due to orders of magnitude. The vibration of an atom in a piece of Earth only differs from the vibration of a supernova by degrees of magnitude. But we’re in an infinite field that’s always expanding. What did it expand out of and what is it expanding into? I assert that it isn’t expanding into anything and it didn’t come from anywhere. It’s just a massive sine wave of a vibration so large in scale that it appears infinite. It’s vibrating into itself like a cavitation bubble in an infinite ocean. It supports in its infinite curve smaller infinite waves that represent fundamental forces in our universe. Dimensionality, gravity, the speed of light and more are all curves on this order. Where they intersect, they create interference patterns, ripples, standing waves in spacetime. These massive ripples result in universes, their ripples contain galaxies, those ripples contain solar systems. Any place the intersection of curves interacts to create smaller fractals there is a refinement in complexity. The matter we’re made of reflects these intersections all the way down to the lowest level. Subatomic particles are the same shape as the universe. The “goldilocks zone” for stars is just that place in the gravity well where the intersecting curves can refract into living organisms. In a biome as rich as the Earth’s thinking creatures can come into existence as long as the environment is just hostile enough to require predation and just abundant enough to allow for leisure. That’s the the whole spectrum. There’s the Light and it’s many emmenations, and there’s the darkness consuming everything that falls into it.
Even in your life, you have to maintain that Goldilocks balance to have a healthy body and mind; what the Buddhists call, “The Middle Path,” also known as the Eternal Tau. I’m going to get away from logic and venture into the unknown now. With my belief that consciousness is the basis for reality, I also believe it’s the true center of the universe, the inner eye, or God’s eye. I think that from “God’s” perspective reality is like a Panopticon. Where this central conscious gaze directs its attention, it experiences a reality. It forgets it was everything so that it can experience a small part of itself. Like that meme, “Could God microwave a burrito so hot even He couldn’t eat it?” The answer is yes, if He forgets he’s God. In this infinite field, every possible configuration of information exists, both sensical and nonsensical, ordered and chaotic. It’s all there to be experienced for eternity.
This is something you ask after attempting to prove your point a number of times, only to be met with resistance.
You haven’t even tried once, and are already accusing them of being closed minded.
Now, back to the discussion at hand - you have been asked to prove your point. Instead of asking what type of proof they would accept, why not let me ask you… what type of proof are you willing to provide?
Trump is a wannabe Putin and Musk is a wannabe Trump.
The Fox News fascists are just amoral, well-paid lackeys.
All risen or rising to prominence as part of the same global fascist spasm, of course. But Tate is street-fry. He poisons minds but he’s got no real power. And he’ll most likely disappear into obscurity very soon, like so many before him.
He’s a symptom of the capitalist disease. Essentially, he’s what happens when a person is hollowed out and nothing remains except capitalist ideology. My point is that they’re all garden variety scum, but they’re uplifted into power by a cultural corruption that’s as old as consciousness. The religions of old warned about this kind of mental programming when the dominant form of ignorance on the planet was building pyramids and colluseums.
In some ways he is. In other ways though, no he’s just a person who is like that. And speaking as a pagan you’re fucking insane if you think this wasn’t happening under pagan rule. Our rot is the same that the Roman republic had.
Maybe something could’ve made him not this way, but he seems to have been emptier than most before anything. Whether or not their soul is still intact is a question for them and the gods to discuss. But the reality is that in a healthy ancient society he probably would’ve been either dealt with violently or expelled to die. In an unhealthy one, he’d’ve sought to build power with disaffected young men, raped unprotected women who were unable to defend themselves, and either come to power or died trying. Patriarchy is fucking old and he’s got it bad.
I never said anything about the Pagans, so don’t put words in my mouth. It’s a spiritual rot. It happens on the individual level and it is solved on the community level.
I’ll clarify for you. I believe these are all different heads of one Hydra, and they’ll either all be attacked at once, or they will attack first and there will be nobody to stop them.
I don’t think it runs that deep. I think we’re just way more aware of these dickheads with the 24 hour news cycle and endless communication on the internet.
I think it runs so much deeper than even politics. Spiritual ignorance is a malignant mind virus. The genocide of Nazis is a symptom of spiritual corruption. I don’t suspect a conscious conspiracy as much as an approaching critical mass. This high energy state is unsustainable. Eventually there will be a short circuit that will ground this ignorance back into reality.
What is spiritual ignorance and spiritual corruption? They just sound like meaningless nonsense phrases meant to point to an ethereal, nebulous common link that you assume exists but can’t identify.
Spiritual ignorance is resistance to gnosis. Gnosis is the realization that consciousness is the basis of the universe, and every atrocity you commit in the name of ego is a wound upon your greater self. It’s why Jesus warned against wealth and earthly authority, and why those authorities murdered him and used his legend to perpetuate their own existence. You don’t even need to believe in spiritualism or Christianity to understand that the material world is only half the story. You go to sleep every night and exist in an entirely new world built upon your own consciousness. Your waking life is just the dream of a higher order of consciousness as well.
Your posts read like you ate a first year philosophy text book, and now you’re puking it up without any real grasp of what you’re saying.
Learn to master language before wielding it with such painful arrogance.
Your posts read like a dunning kruger club narcissistic abuser.
Learn to master basic consciousness before you attempt a conversation. Your projections are grotesque.
Case in point.
In your defence, I’m guessing English isn’t your first language.
Case in point.
You have no defense. You’re just spreading shit on the walls.
If you had any idea what you just said, you’d realise it does not answer their question whatsoever.
You’re only talking about your lack of understanding of what I’m saying.
This is literally “I know you are but what am I” levels of reasoning.
If consciousness is the basis of the universe, I would ask you to demonstrate it.
Personally, the only consciousness I’m aware of comes from living, corporeal beings. Science’s best understanding tells me that the universe existed for 10 billion years before the Earth. And the Earth is the only place that I’m aware of consciousness existing. Therefore, in my understanding, consciousness could not possibly be the basis of the universe.
Everything you’ve said sounds like spiritual and religious woo. No thanks, I prefer reality.
I can’t open a closed mind. I would be glad to discuss the topic with you, but I’m not going to waste my time trying to fight you over it. So I’ll ask you, what would you accept as proof? If nothing can prove to you that consciousness is the basis of the universe, then there’s nothing I can say to change your mind.
I will believe anything that has sufficient evidence to believe it is true or likely true. I am skeptical of your claim, but not closed minded.
You believe that this is true, why do you believe it?
If I don’t have any reason to believe it, or in other words, I’ve seen no evidence that leads me to believe it is true, how could I tell you what would prove it? It just seems like you’re trying to shift the burden of proof to me, but you’re the one claiming it is true.
Asking what you’d accept as proof is a reasonable request. If you’re asking me to violate physics or introduce you to God, I can’t do that. I can provide some context that might expand your perspective, but if I waste my time sending you a sincere response only for you to dismiss it without consideration, that serves neither of us. We’re having this conversation because you requested it, and I’ll take it on good faith that you are curious and not just trying to win some imaginary argument.
Additionally, I’ll go ahead and concede that I can’t prove any of this any more than I can prove my own consciousness. I can only describe the landscape as I perceive it, and hope it connects some dots for you as well. First of all, reject any notion of a familiar religion unless you’re already versed in gnosticism and hermeticism. We’ll start with a universal language, mathematics. Since mathematics attempts to describe the universe objectively, it doesn’t have the same biases as religions and philosophies. What I’m going to try to describe is a reality that is an infinite fractal of consciousness.
We know we exist, at least I know I exist and I take it on good faith that I’m not the only conscious person. It seems reasonable that things which operate similarly and which come from the same source share attributes. Our material reality exists, at least in the same way that our individual perspectives exist. That reality seems consistent despite our perspective as individual observers. The evidence so far indicates that reality is a phenomenon that exists on a higher order than our individual consciousness. We know from our observations of reality, that infinities and paradoxes are disguised in every mundane object. The Dichotomy Paradox says you can split a candybar into infinite pieces by slicing each piece into half, but obviously that’s not the case. Everything in the universe is moving, but the illusion of stillness exists due to orders of magnitude. The vibration of an atom in a piece of Earth only differs from the vibration of a supernova by degrees of magnitude. But we’re in an infinite field that’s always expanding. What did it expand out of and what is it expanding into? I assert that it isn’t expanding into anything and it didn’t come from anywhere. It’s just a massive sine wave of a vibration so large in scale that it appears infinite. It’s vibrating into itself like a cavitation bubble in an infinite ocean. It supports in its infinite curve smaller infinite waves that represent fundamental forces in our universe. Dimensionality, gravity, the speed of light and more are all curves on this order. Where they intersect, they create interference patterns, ripples, standing waves in spacetime. These massive ripples result in universes, their ripples contain galaxies, those ripples contain solar systems. Any place the intersection of curves interacts to create smaller fractals there is a refinement in complexity. The matter we’re made of reflects these intersections all the way down to the lowest level. Subatomic particles are the same shape as the universe. The “goldilocks zone” for stars is just that place in the gravity well where the intersecting curves can refract into living organisms. In a biome as rich as the Earth’s thinking creatures can come into existence as long as the environment is just hostile enough to require predation and just abundant enough to allow for leisure. That’s the the whole spectrum. There’s the Light and it’s many emmenations, and there’s the darkness consuming everything that falls into it.
Even in your life, you have to maintain that Goldilocks balance to have a healthy body and mind; what the Buddhists call, “The Middle Path,” also known as the Eternal Tau. I’m going to get away from logic and venture into the unknown now. With my belief that consciousness is the basis for reality, I also believe it’s the true center of the universe, the inner eye, or God’s eye. I think that from “God’s” perspective reality is like a Panopticon. Where this central conscious gaze directs its attention, it experiences a reality. It forgets it was everything so that it can experience a small part of itself. Like that meme, “Could God microwave a burrito so hot even He couldn’t eat it?” The answer is yes, if He forgets he’s God. In this infinite field, every possible configuration of information exists, both sensical and nonsensical, ordered and chaotic. It’s all there to be experienced for eternity.
This is something you ask after attempting to prove your point a number of times, only to be met with resistance.
You haven’t even tried once, and are already accusing them of being closed minded.
Now, back to the discussion at hand - you have been asked to prove your point. Instead of asking what type of proof they would accept, why not let me ask you… what type of proof are you willing to provide?
That’s just an idiotic authoritarian response. I can ask for clarification at any time in a conversation. Who the fuck are you to say otherwise?
I’ve only heard morons use the term “mind virus”.
I’ve only heard morons use abusive language and believe they’re winning a conversation.
You can not “win” a conversation, the word you are looking for is “argument” or maybe “debate”.
I’m having a conversation, friendo is having a debate. That’s where the stupidity lies.
Tate is just your common or garden sado-misogynist (reminds me a lot of this psychopath).
Trump is a wannabe Putin and Musk is a wannabe Trump.
The Fox News fascists are just amoral, well-paid lackeys.
All risen or rising to prominence as part of the same global fascist spasm, of course. But Tate is street-fry. He poisons minds but he’s got no real power. And he’ll most likely disappear into obscurity very soon, like so many before him.
He’s a symptom of the capitalist disease. Essentially, he’s what happens when a person is hollowed out and nothing remains except capitalist ideology. My point is that they’re all garden variety scum, but they’re uplifted into power by a cultural corruption that’s as old as consciousness. The religions of old warned about this kind of mental programming when the dominant form of ignorance on the planet was building pyramids and colluseums.
You’re part of the problem with this over dramatic tripe
Or are you part of the problem with your judgemental in-fighting?
What infighting?
I’m on your team, but you’re not on mine. You’re just a shit talking dick head trying to squeeze his two cents in where it’s not wanted.
Seek help
I don’t need help. It’s the people reacting to me with anger who seem to be suffering.
In some ways he is. In other ways though, no he’s just a person who is like that. And speaking as a pagan you’re fucking insane if you think this wasn’t happening under pagan rule. Our rot is the same that the Roman republic had.
Maybe something could’ve made him not this way, but he seems to have been emptier than most before anything. Whether or not their soul is still intact is a question for them and the gods to discuss. But the reality is that in a healthy ancient society he probably would’ve been either dealt with violently or expelled to die. In an unhealthy one, he’d’ve sought to build power with disaffected young men, raped unprotected women who were unable to defend themselves, and either come to power or died trying. Patriarchy is fucking old and he’s got it bad.
I never said anything about the Pagans, so don’t put words in my mouth. It’s a spiritual rot. It happens on the individual level and it is solved on the community level.
Yes, such authoritarian charlatans are symptoms of capitalism. This does not mean they are in any way connected.
You can read my other comments in this thread if you want. I’ve already addressed this.
No, you haven’t. You’ve just vaguely gestured and pontificated aimlessly.
Cool.
No. It wasn’t.