• celsiustimeline@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    3 days ago

    Because a vote abstention is a vote for the person in the lead. If Harris is in the lead, then every single American who abstains from voting is essentially helping her win, but the same is true if Trump is in the lead. Convincing Green voters that it makes more sense in a FPTP system to vote Democrat as its the closest party to their preferred ideology is a statistically productive activity.

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      2 days ago

      Voting for genocide will never be something you can convince humans is in their best interest as close to their preferred ideology.

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        10 hours ago

        The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Voting for a fringe-left party rather than Democrats increases the chance, and represents direct personal action leading to, a worse outcome for Palestinians.

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          5 hours ago

          Palestinians seems to think otherwise, I’ll follow their lead. I was going to vote for the Palestinian candidate directly but I’ll be honest, PSL is better for the world than green.

      • agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works
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        Genocide is bad. Multiple genocides, and faster, is worse. One genocide is closer to my preferred ideology of zero genocides than that same genocide but worse, plus additional genocides. The only people who are unconvinced by that arithmetic are idealists who care more about maintaining their ideological purity than actually helping people.

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          I’m not voting for any genocide, sorry. It sucks you have no red line, no limit to your loyalty, no bottom depth to your depravity you willingly vote for, but I have a simple one:

          No genocide.

          Until the US stops contributing soft power, arms, cash, and troops on the ground to a genocide, the people in exclusive control of that don’t get my vote.

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            You have a fundamental misunderstanding of how voting works, mechanically, in a FPTP system. You don’t vote for things. You vote against them.

            Once RCV takes hold (thank your local and state representatives) I’ll be right there beside you voting my conscience. Until then, that’s not a productive strategy. It does not achieve the intended goal.

            Lesser evil buys time. Vote for progressives on your state ballots. If there aren’t any, vote for progressives on your local ballots. If there aren’t any, run for local office as a progressive.

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              2 days ago

              You’ve been voting the lesser evil for 80 years, does it feel like it’s bought you time?

              I’m not voting for genocide, in voting against it, hence why I’m not voting for Dems or Reps.

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                Sounds like you’re voting hard in favor of worse genocide. Either that or basic logic isn’t your strong suit and you’re doing it unknowingly

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                  1 day ago

                  “worse genocide” do you people actually read what you type?

                  Say that out loud to yourself. That you are voting for less genocide instead of no genocide, and then tell me you’re still the good guy.

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                    I can use logic to defend my view much unlike yourself. Accelerationists are the fucking worst 🤮

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                2 days ago

                You’ve been voting the lesser evil for 80 years, does it feel like it’s bought you time?

                Unequivocally yes. Imagine if the right wing clinched power in 1944 and never lost traction. You think civil rights would be better?

                I’m not voting for genocide, in voting against it, hence why I’m not voting for Dems or Reps.

                What’s that accomplished in the last 80 years?