Obviously he didnt deserve the harassment he got regardless. Like even if he was dogshit he wouldnt have deserved that. But I just rewatched Phantom Menace for the first time in awhile. Young friend of mine are going through the star wars movies because she was a sheltered homeschooled kid and hadnt seen them. Already did the OT, starting on the prequels.

Other than the obvious “oh wow, the racial stereotypes of literally three different alien species in this movie is insane”, the main takeaway my rewatch gave me is “wow ok, Jake LLoyd is average at worst”. He was just like, a regular kid actor? Nothing to write home about like say, young Maise Williams or something. But absolutely fine?

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    Yeah the kid was fine and of course didn’t deserve the hate.

    The whole movie would have worked better if it just started Anakin closer to the age he is in attack of the clones though. The Jedi are already calling him too old anyway, and it would have made the hotshot piloting fit better and also the start of the Anakin/Padme thing less weird.

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      The Jedi are already calling him too old anyway

      I wish the franchise never took that throwaway line from Yoda in Empire Strikes Back and ran with it to the point of making the magic cops effectively kidnap and indoctrinate very small children, removing them from their families for heroic reasons.

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        Actually, having the Jedi be child abductors fits perfectly with their mind controlling magic cop bullshit. Both the Dark and Light sides of the Force are evil and fascist and the false dichotomy of the Force should be problematized more.

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          I see where you’re going with that, but unfortunately just like how ancap-good types say “see? Republicans and Democrats both bad, therefore go Libertarian which is basically Republicans that like weed” I think a lot of Star Wars fans do buy into the “both Jedi and Sith bad actually” take but then dive into salad bar ideology like “that’s why my Original Grey Jedi Do Not Steal is a renegade magic cop that doesn’t play by the rules and has Dark Side powers and pragmatically murderfucks but don’t label him as evil, maaaaaaan.”

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            Yes, obviously the liberal centrist thing of going “both sides bad therefore the middle is good” is braindead and Star Wars Fans tend to have poor media literacy and political consciousness, but making the Jedi into Actually Good mind controlling space cops is very much not the solution.

            Also, it’s always seemed strange to me that the trademark Light side Force power is self evidently categorically evil (mind control) but the trademark Dark side Force power isn’t (lightning)

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              Star Wars could have had a cool nondenominational Force presence that rejected the magic cops and the space nazis, but The Acolyte probably buried the idea indefinitely because of incompetence.

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                Haven’t seen the acolyte, probably won’t bother to because although anti-woke grifter tears are usually a decent heuristic for good media even non-deranged reviews I’ve seen of it are universally bad.

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          “The Acolyte” could have done something with a non-Jedi non-Sith Force-using system, but it bumblefucked badly and The Mouse will probably avoid the idea from now on.

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      It would have fit everything better to have Anakin be an adult from the start. In ANH when Kenobi says “when I first knew [Anakin], he was the best starfighter pilot in the galaxy,” it really makes it sound like Anakin was an adult who was also a starfighter pilot when Obi Wan met him. And then Obi Wan says “follow old Obi Wan on some damned fool’s idealistic crusade like your father did” to Luke, which seems to imply that running off to fight in the Clone Wars was Obi Wan’s idea, and not some galaxy-spanning conflict that they were conscripted into.

      So I’m imagining something kind of like what happened to Darth Revan before KOTOR, where going to the Outer Rim to fight in a war permanently changes Anakin and he becomes Darth Vader. It’d be pretty thematically strong too if he was out fighting for ten years or whatever and came back a fascist and backed the Emperor’s takeover of the Republic.

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          Yeah if I was transported into Lucas’ body in 1995 I would shop around for a writer/director to adapt the Thrawn trilogy or something like that. The OT actors were all about the right age to do it, too.

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        that would also match the Roman method of dictatorship from Julius Caesar, who took power after coming back as a embittered war veteran with tons of gripes against the senate