• LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    It’s really awesome to expel by nationality, even of people who’ve long moved out and immigrated years ago and don’t support the invasion and war waged on Ukraine /s

    Honestly fuck Russia ofc, but this goes a bit too far into the grey area between hawkish-reasonable and discriminatory, and on the latter side I’m not sure who and/or what this is meant to help, nor does it seem particularly fair to those individual contributors to keep their code yet remove attribution and mailing list entries.

    EDIT: holy shit the bloodlust in the comments here is actually unreal, even on arr slash neoliberal and the politics communities here on lemmy the comments are way more sane.

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      Why are people so fundamentally incapable of nuanced judgement. According to people in this comment section, a human is entirely defined by their country of origin. What is this witch hunt level, toddler IQ thinking. Are people really so desperate to have a “bad guy” that they can blame everything on? This dehumanization of people is wild to me.

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        a human is entirely defined by their country of origin

        This reeks of Americanism, yanks are absurdly obsessed with race and nationality

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    "Ok, lots of Russian trolls out and about.

    It’s entirely clear why the change was done, it’s not getting reverted, and using multiple random anonymous accounts to try to “grass root” it by Russian troll factories isn’t going to change anything.

    And FYI for the actual innocent bystanders who aren’t troll farm accounts - the “various compliance requirements” are not just a US thing.

    If you haven’t heard of Russian sanctions yet, you should try to read the news some day. And by “news”, I don’t mean Russian state-sponsored spam.

    As to sending me a revert patch - please use whatever mush you call brains. I’m Finnish. Did you think I’d be supporting Russian aggression? Apparently it’s not just lack of real news, it’s lack of history knowledge too."

    fuck yes. fuck russia. fuck russians.

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      So, basically it’s enough to say “Fuck Russia, Fuck Russians” here and it gains you massive support.

      Seriously?

      First, how does this fuck Russia the state?

      Second, what everyday Russians have to do with it? What justifies sneaking in hate messages to a diverse ethnic group with no single ideology?

      Saying “Fuck Russians” is about the same as “Fuck Jews” because Israel has done bad things. This is not okay.

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        It’s just people can’t do anything to stop Russia or at least help Ukraine. Although the latter is possible, but it’d require some effort. Writing and upvoting “fuck Russia” on social media is easy and that makes them feel better.

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      I’m Finnish. Did you think I’d be supporting Russian aggression? Apparently it’s not just lack of real news, it’s lack of history knowledge too."

      Man, it’s like you spend centuries brutalizing all your neighbors, if not outright conquering them and enforcing holocausts, and this is the thanks you get!

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      You should approach the same fuck first approach to Israel and the us with what they are doing in Gaza and Lebanon while you are at it. That would show your adherence to standard behaviour in the light of current genocides going on.

      Sure Russia is bad so fuck Russia but do you have the balls or boobs to say fuck Israel ?

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        You should approach the same fuck first approach to Israel

        Why should they do that in the comments section under a post about Russia?

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        It’s even funnier when we realize Russia is possibly the reason there even is an Israel-Palestine conflict.

        Jews fled Russia between 1880 and 1920. While a large majority emigrated to the United States, some turned to Zionism. In 1882, members of Bilu and Hovevei Zion made what came to be known the First Aliyah to Palestine, then a part of the Ottoman Empire.

        The Tsarist government sporadically encouraged Jewish emigration. In 1890, it approved the establishment of “The Society for the Support of Jewish Farmers and Artisans in Syria and Palestine”[51] (known as the “Odessa Committee” headed by Leon Pinsker) dedicated to practical aspects in establishing agricultural Jewish settlements in Palestine.

        Source

        So they encouraged and supported those settlements.

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        Yes, fuck Israel and fuck Russia. Not sure why I’m responding to this dumb bait, but here we are. It’s not a straw man argument when both countries are run by literal human feces

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    To directly quote Linus:

    Ok, lots of Russian trolls out and about.

    It’s entirely clear why the change was done, it’s not getting reverted, and using multiple random anonymous accounts to try to “grass root” it by Russian troll factories isn’t going to change anything.

    And FYI for the actual innocent bystanders who aren’t troll farm accounts - the “various compliance requirements” are not just a US thing.

    If you haven’t heard of Russian sanctions yet, you should try to read the news some day. And by “news”, I don’t mean Russian state-sponsored spam.

    As to sending me a revert patch - please use whatever mush you call brains. I’m Finnish. Did you think I’d be supporting Russian aggression? Apparently it’s not just lack of real news, it’s lack of history knowledge too.

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      No changes until China decides to invade Taiwan and the sanctions that Russia currently has begin.

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        Yeah, China are being “generic assholes” right now, but not crossing the lines into “serious villain shit” yet, at least for people who aren’t in China.

        But if they touch Taiwan, oh hell yeah.

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          I mean there are chinese spies in europe, which suppress, bully and sometimes even kill chinese journalists who have fleed (?) to europe. And thats not even a conspiracy theory, there were investigative journalists who have uncovered this in several countries. So I’d say that china is reeealy close to that villain line

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            Yeah, I think thats still really brushing the line.

            This is a carrot and stick thing, by making Russia an extreme example we can steer them back from the edge.

            But we do need to have other sanctions, they’re just being dickholes.

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            Yes.

            And when they start murdering people we bring down the wrath of God on them.

            That’s the problem with Russia, you have to be nice, up to the point they cross the line, then you turn the doom music on.

            We needed to start crushing their balls with a hydraulic press when they took Crimea, this is on us.

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              I mean, it probably would’ve been ideal then but as usual, America was recovering from/embroiled in the last Conservative disasters (financial crisis, Afghanistan/Iraq.) And Obama had just burned a lot of political capital giving people healthcare.

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                W annihilated our foreign policy, destroyed it completely.

                And yeah, Obama burned everything on the aca and recovering the economy while fox News had mustard gate and tan suit gate and saluting a guy with a coffee cup gate.

                His foreign policy was a mess, but at least he started the pivot away from the middle east back to meaningful places, but we really needed to deal with Russia then.

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    The central project of open-source community closes doors to people based on nationality, and everyone is cheering…

    Why? You seriously miss the implications of breaking the very basic principles of open source? You are ready to forgive literally anything if it is claimed to target Russia or Russians in any way?

    For those of you who say about backdoors:

    • US is known to create the most complicated spy networks with myriads of backdoors. Where are the bans of the US maintainers?
    • Israel is a literal powerhouse of state-sanctioned spying software - Pegasus, as well as many less renowned programs, was created here. Any bans, anyone?
    • China is known for invasive software. Maybe ban them all too?

    The only reasonable way to avoid backdoors is to meticulously check the submitted code. Threat actors can be anywhere - and Russia is not some unique threat location, nor was it banned with that justification - just “compliance requirements”.

    This is politics permeating the sacred place we all had. This is a giant threat to the community, and the way Linus framed it in his message is even more terrifying. This was never meant to happen.

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      Torvalds responses make clear he has spent too much time with the wrong people. Calling everyone paid actors is such an embarrassment to his own intelligence. When the linux kernel starts falling behind because of a lack of competent maintainers after banning any country that NATO isnt friends with, we will know that this is where it started and that people cheered.

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        Yeah, arguing that everyone disagreeing is a paid Russian troll is a cherry on top.