Read the comments in the chains that are beneath it. https://old.reddit.com/comments/13ylk42/comment/jmnp04a
My participation will be low here for the time being, but this is something that affects all. Brace yourselves.
Additional information that borderline fascistic instances like sopuli.xyz already exist (Finland NATO supporter), and lemmy.one (PrivacyGuides admin) is run by a US/Canada nationalist that defederated Lemmygrad day 1 and calls people here liberals.
Pro tip:
irrelevant. and no excuse for an illegal Russian invasion of another sovereign nation
irrelevant. and no excuse for an illegal Russian invasion of another sovereign nation
irrelevant. and no excuse for an illegal Russian invasion of another sovereign nation
you and me both, brother/sister
I don’t fall under a gender binary. It’s quicker to type “comrade”, or “friend”.
“Illegal” makes no sense in international politics like this. The dissolution of the USSR was “illegal” (majority voted against it). The founding of almost every republic on Earth was “illegal”. Almost every action taken by the CIA is “illegal”. Furthermore, legality is a horrible basis for a system of ethics or morality irregardless.
Those points were relevant to my position. No outcome is “excusable”, there was no good ending for Ukraine after the fall of the USSR, and it’s pointless to impose some idealistic mindset of what is right and wrong and justified and excused when all states (governments) involved deserve to be overthrown. Being controlled by USA/NATO or by Russia are both bad for the Ukrainian people, and any actual sovereignty would be crushed. Ukraine’s coup was only allowed to survive because of NATO strategic interest, they are unfortunately in a position where they are forced to be subservient to their nationalistic neighbour or the world major superpower.
The situation is terrible. Both sides suck, and my only allegiance is to the citizens of each country caught up in this bullshit.
your personal identity has zero to do with a discussion about Russia and Ukraine. while I respect your identity, it has no bearing in this discussion, so using it as a debate point is both puerile and desperate. Your personal identity (nor anything about you) has any bearing on a discussion about the geopolitics between Russia and Ukraine.
But, if you prefer to be addressed as “comrade”, I’m happy to comply. Comrade.
irrelevant
if that were the circumstance, maybe, but you’re lying in proposing that’s what’s happening now-- it’s NOT. a sovereign nation has been invaded illegally by another. By lying about the circumstances here, you confess that you have no better reasoning or defense, therefore you LOSE the argument and any defensible position. You are wrong. International borders and their respect of them is NOT something I imposed, it’s something THE WORLD agreed upon. You can’t just move the goalposts when it becomes convenient for you and expect everyone else to find that acceptable or reasonable.
Ukraine meets neither of those criteria nor definitions.
much to Russia’s (and your) chagrin, that’s not how sovereignty works. It’s not, nor has it ever been, a “bigger dick” issue-- and even if it were, Russia still hasn’t proven their “bigger dick” anyway. They keep losing!
You obviously have a NATO grudge, and you blame Ukraine, which isn’t in NATO, it makes no sense. Such irrationality only deserves mockery and derision, not a concerted response. You’re a joke for even proposing it.
you need to get your shit - and arguments - in order. you seem very confused.
If you want to bring relevance into this, a war in Eastern Europe has extremely little relevance to me, my family, my community, my co-workers and even my country, beyond the fortunate side effect of it weakening the major world superpower. This entire conversation is irrelevant.
I’m not replying to you to “win the argument”, that’s an unhealthy mindset to have when discussing serious issues. Especially when you just made blind assertions about others being contrarian. If you want to spew a bunch of fallacies and declare some kind of victory, twitter will happily accommodate the spectacle. If you actually care about Ukrainian peoples, projecting arguments onto other people and declaring some strange victory provides no solidarity or support for them. It doesn’t help us understand what is happening, and why it will happen in other countries next decade unless we help stop it.
Most of the viewpoints you just projected onto me are completely baseless. I’ve made it clear I want the dissolution of Russia. I also want the dissolution of NATO. No contradiction! I don’t know why you keep insisting I like Russia. I want it gone more than you do. If I have any grudge, it’s against the Russian Federation for willingly plunging their own people into poverty and terror.
My critique of NATO is not a grudge, it’s a recognition that they actively antagonize the sovereignty of almost the entirety of South America, Africa and the Middle East, along with much of Asia, and more. Anti-democracy, invasion and bombing. The same bullshit Russia has done to Ukraine. The sad truth is that NATO are not “good”. Russia aren’t either. There is no good side in this war. Neither side really give a fuck about Ukrainians, hell they barely care about their own citizens.