All:
As the mod for this community I just wanted to drop this note:
A community purportedly a clone of an overtly political, fascistic, misogynistic, and trolling subreddit was set up on this instance and, as a result, there has been discussion in the greater fediverse to defederate sh.itjust.works.
When I am a net control station, as when I’m operating any radio, I do not discuss politics and follow good amateur practice. When I was a kid I was taught that the hobby was to facilitate emergency communications, enhance technical progress, and promote international goodwill. I’m firmly of the opinion politics messes up that last point, in particular.
While, I don’t want our hobby affiliated with hateful and violent content, I also want discussion to reach as broad an audience as possible. To that end, defederation would be unacceptable. Should sh.itjust.works be defederated I will be terminating my account and moving elsewhere. Should someone else choose to be a mod, I’ll leave it up to you to decide but I will not be sticking around and will either delete this community (if possible), set up another amateur_radio community, or join an already existing one.
I appreciate you understanding and consideration.
If everyone starts defederating instances just because there is a community they don’t like, then eventually, every instance will be isolated.
Yup, there’s plenty I don’t like on lemmy.ml and beehaw.org, but I don’t raise a fuss, I just don’t sub to those communities.
I don’t get why everyone is being so dramatic. In this case, it was one user trolling. Just report, block, and move on. It’ll happen again, we don’t need to jump to defederation every time someone decides to troll…
It’s both amusing and frightening how just one or two users could cause this much discussion and controversy across instances.
Can’t help but feel like we gave them exactly what they wanted.
Exactly. The community in question is a couple of trolls. This is the drama they wanted.
Not only that, a couple of trolls that were banned and their community deleted.
It’s insane to me that there’s so much drama and craziness over a community that’s already been removed.
I think people just like being outraged. Makes you feel like you’re standing up and solving a problem without actually doing anything. Kinda like how talking about a goal can give you a sense of accomplishment without achieving it.
I can appreciate your dedication to universal goodwill and what steps might be needed to proliferate such ideals.
Here’s to this community not needing to move.
I really don’t want to move. It is easy to block a community as a user but I think the rush to judgment leads a lot of the internet mob, though well intentioned, to get out the pitchforks and torches and burn down their own houses. One instance, as I understand it has already defederated sh.itjust.works.
Correct. That would be the mods at Beehaw. However, there are plans in place to refederate at some point in the future. (Basically as Lemmy grows and gets more moderation features.)
So far the community you are referring to has 2 users actively posting, and all of their content is getting down voted to oblivion.
I am anxious about the next steps. You are right regarding the velocity of mob rule.
There are logical reasons for defederation and also for relying on community blockage. Freedom of expression cannot supercede respect for your fellow living bean.
I think a big part being missed is that this community isn’t reddit and never will be (thank heavens). I
hope for cooler heads.
Well from what I’ve seen, I don’t think we’re very fascistic or misogynistic, at least none of the user comments from myself or others have been.
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I’m sure there will be an instance for that if there isn’t one already.
I wouldn’t want to be the one trying to moderate it though. Politics gets into everything.
Hasn’t the offending community already been removed?
I think it might have been. I can’t keep track because I’m operating Field Day.
I understand this platform is still young so the community hasn’t really decided on standards but imo there are a lot of parallels that can be drawn between this and email. And with email, blocking an entire domain is usually strictly to deal with spam.
For a platform like this, we should probably extend that to illegal content but no further than that imo. Objectionable content should be handled via moderation, blocking, and just not subscribing to that content in the first place.
Just my $0.02
In case of defederation, what happens to the user comments from the outside instance that was defederated?
Defederation is a bit of a mess right now. Posts and comments remain, and users can still interact with them with no indication that the instance has been defederated.
Lemmy developers will probably improve the user experience around defederation over time, but for the moment it’s pretty primitive.
Defederating and outright banning other instances has become an issue at https://lemmy.radio for sure. You have to stay up on the issues that other instances create. Your example of a net control station is spot on.
I think we’re fortunate as a broader amateur radio “community” that we understand how to police ourselves.
You’re more than welcome to mod at !amateur_radio@lemmy.radio
That’s the double edged sword of federation. The owner of the server has ultimate control over the content hosted on it. There are other servers who’s administrators will ban users using hate speech. Look around they are easy to find.
They are not so easy to find. You’ll need to be very familiar with modern bigot / authoritarian dogwhistles. Obvious things like slurs or calls for the death of an entire group are damaging, but far more damaging are the sneaky smart ones who say things like “Are you disagreeing with statistical facts?” or “You’re delusional if you think there’s any significant hatred towards [targeted_group]”.
I totally agree with you. Reddit was authoritarian and removed communities it didn’t like. Lemmy is supposed to be open. I am disappointed by the discussion on this topic. People lose their level-headedness and rational thinking in situations like these. Their inner caveman comes out. It’s so disappointing.
I didn’t migrate from reddit in order to give Nazis a platform. If instances don’t want to federate with instances that don’t police hate speech/ advocating cruelty/violence to people who are different then those instance are well within their rights.
This is why the block button exists. Your line isn’t the same as everyone else’s line. Outside of illegal content, spam or targeted harassment, there is going to be ambiguity and debate which doesn’t call for full isolation of servers that don’t comply with a particular set of ethics.
I personally have no horse in this race, though I can’t say I advocate for emotionally driven decisions.
Reddit was authoritarian and removed communities it didn’t like
After scandalous media attention perhaps.
I obviously don’t know how long you were on the site, but most of reddit’s worst actors lived long and healthy lives, while some interesting ones (e.g. Unidan) got zapped on easy technicalities.
Wasn’t Spez a mod on Jailbait, or did someone just make that up to make him look worse?
