I am very much enjoying this cute phase Zoomers are going through at the moment where they “discover” things we all did 10 - 20 years ago and turn it into a social media trend. Like the dumb phone one that’s also happening at the moment, with some young people rejecting smartphones in favour of flip phones Millennials used in high school.
But in all seriousness, this is actually a useful life hack if you are trying to restrict spending or live on a budget.
It is not their fault for not knowing, it is our fault for not teaching.
Maybe we just need to call it “budgeting hack”, not “financial planning”.
Yeah it’s a good method but the “envelope” budgeting systemn has existed for decades.
What is old is new again, just with bloat on top.
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What is this sorcery?
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This is the best summary I could come up with:
Most people use a binder with individual pockets or sleeves, with a label for each expense — for example, groceries, petrol, and eating out.
Financial expert and CEO of WeMoney Daniel Jovevski said the rise in popularity of cash stuffing took him by surprise.
“Having that physical product and that cash in my hand, that makes it a lot more easier to use, and for my mind to comprehend what I’m saving per week.”
Mr Jovevski adds the lack of transparency means consumers “probably don’t know the total fees they’re paying”.
He also raises the point that there are some risks involved in carrying around a lot of cash, such as theft, but he acknowledges that “everyone’s situation is unique”.
It not only lowers the risk factor of having large sums of money at home, but it also means you can still accrue interest on your savings.
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Sitting money in different savings accounts is better though since it will earn interest
Depends. My bank doesn’t fee me for sub accounts. A lot of them do.
I haven’t used cash for anything except dodgy Facebook and Gumtree buys in a decade. I currently have the better part of $1000 in cash in my wallet that has collected because I just never use it. I haven’t entered a bank branch in probably a similar time frame, and they (BankWest) closed the branches near here so I’m not even sure where to deposit it if I wanted to.
You know what I like about bank accounts? You don’t get drunk and leave your bank account in the back of a taxi home. And a house fire doesn’t burn down your bank account. There’s also a slightly less chance that people will break in to your home and steal your bank account, though it’s probably a coin flip compared to scammers and what not.
You’ll also pay more by going into shops and using cash…
Big bag of dog food from local shop, £65.
Same bag from online only retailer with free shipping? £38.
Cash only is not a good way to budget.
But at what cost? Sure the individual will save in the short run on the occasional bag of dog food, but society at large will lose options that avoid tracking and outside intervention. The push for online shopping isn’t for your convenience, it’s for control over your life and your spending. In the future there will be only a handful of companies total, and they’ll essentially become the government if we don’t wake up and shake shit up.
Imagine having enough money to have the luxury of making moral choices with it lmao
If you have enough money to support local retailers then absolutely - it’s important.
But if you’re struggling to the extent that you’re envolope budgeting to make sure everything gets a share, then you’ve got bigger more immediate problems than Costco becoming so big you get your law degree from there.
I’m not even sure where to deposit it if I wanted to
I’m not a BankWest customer but I expect you can deposit it at any post office, for free, and it’ll be much quicker and more convenient than going to the branch ever was.
This is nowhere close to new. People have been doing this for centuries. It was called the envelope method a couple generations ago
This is insane.
Why would you complicate your life like this when there are digital options to accomplish the same result?
It probably works for some people man. More power to em. I agree with you though.
It’s just influencer trash. Playing around with cash is the only way to make a visually engaging video about budgeting.
Running defence for the budget.
So it’s the same as running the Google sheets monthly budget template but with cash. Not a bad idea per se, but i can see the risk in withdrawing so much in cash to accomplish it
I’ve been wondering if there’s a way to do this with actual bank accounts. I know with ING I can only have like 2 savings/transactional accounts (1 joint, 1 personal).
I’d like to be able to spin up accounts for these categories and use them as the “envelopes” instead of relying on cash.
Yes.
I’m with bank Australia they let me have as many sub accounts as i please, no fees.
There’s savings, bill kitty, rates, honeypot (building a six month expense nest egg separate to savings) car kitty, cat emergencies, house emergencies. Anything left on the main card-accessibile account is groceries and pissing away money. Been running that since the 90’s. Works so well husband has been throwing his half in there as well since '07
I was looking at their site and could see anything about sub-accounts?
Bankaust, yup. You just slap an online saver or three in there.
Edit: I wrote the reply before noticing that I was not in a US-centric sub. That’s on me. But the general premise of “No, you can’t autodebit” or “Sure, I’ll let you think you can auto-debit. Doesn’t mean I’ll have it turned on at that moment” still holds.
Fidelity does not have an upper limit on the number of cash management accounts one can have. At least not one that I’ve discovered, as yet.
I’ve been doing this for years, but for me it’s more about sequestering money away from the card that I actively use. Ever sat there for a couple days and realized just how many times Apple will try to hit your card(s) the same day? Same with Amazon.
If that card approves, it’s because I’m explicitly trying to pay you, not because some company decided they want to be more aggressive with the autopay.
I don’t use Zelle etc for that, when I can help it - look at who runs that service. Yeah, no, not giving you even more data so you can make assumptions about my behavior and intentions.
In addition, I’ve found multi-currency cards with the ability to set aside money to be useful in the same way. I absolutely do not have trust or a prior relationship with everyone I’m paying over the course of a month, which means I want more control over that process than I normally get.
Is it a pain in the ass sometimes? Sure. But it’s also annoying to have to unlock cards when I want to use them - doesn’t mean that I forego that extra security. The alternative is bad.
But the general premise of “No, you can’t autodebit” or “Sure, I’ll let you think you can auto-debit. Doesn’t mean I’ll have it turned on at that moment” still holds.
That doesn’t hold in Australia. I’ve never heard of a bank here that allows you to (easily) stop someone from taking money out of your account. In fact, even if the account is empty they might be able to overdraw it if they have the right level of merchant account (I had that happen once, when I booked a flight that was about to depart, and they messed up/failed to charge me for the flight. Three months later someone noticed and my account was charged/overdrawn).
As someone who runs a business that charges customers money all day every day… if I have the customer’s details then I can charge their account whatever I want. Sure, I could go to jail (or be sent out of business) if I do the wrong thing… but there isn’t really much protection below that point and if I’m only mildly scummy, I’d probably get away with it.
Here, those charges normally hit our debit cards - not the account itself in the sense that a direct debit skips the card and basically functions like a check/cheque.
Nothing on the card, it declines, they can’t charge.
We used to use EFT with our ancient transfer system, still do for direct deposit payroll and such, but otherwise it’s all cards here. Very few people use account transfers. so none of that is a risk here. It takes two or three business days, and the merchant has zero visibility into whether or not the transaction will actually approve at the time they make the sale. Online merchants wouldn’t send items without cleared payment, but very few even use those transfers anymore because there’s just no information on whether the customer actually has the money or not.
In the airline example, they never would have gotten their money unless they were ok with making a very big problem out of it - most companies wouldn’t, and most companies would not pursue someone who owed them some nominal amount.
Credit cards don’t work like that here, they approve whether you want them to or not unless they’re locked, but debit cards lend themselves to sequestering money like that in multiple accts.
