If I only work out my right arm for 2 years straight and then suddenly say “oh I’m going to now start doing the same, equal work out on my left” they don’t just suddenly become the same. You’d have to put more time and focus into the left for it to become equal to the right.
However if your honestly claiming that affirmative action = “doing the same thing again to a different race”, no analogy in the world is going to help you. Your ignorance is untreatable I’m afraid.
It’s the same level of understanding the solution as spez thinking editing the karma DB values makes him look good.
If the fix didn’t start at the ground, then it wasn’t a fix
We can’t solve the hiring/acceptance discrimination by forcing it, they first need to be at a competitive disadvantage by doing it, and then we target the discrimination that exists after that.
With the way it is right now it’s encouraging the stereotypes of minorities being lesser/incompetent because it expects them to compete with people who received much better training and practice. It’s downright cruel to expect them to succeed in that situation.
But why is the goal to get each arm to be the same? To untie that analogy, we’re saying that we want the cumulative experience of each racial group to be the same. Like, taken to the extreme, that means that the ultimate fairness would be to now enslave the other group to make sure it’s even.
What? No, that’s not what we want. Right?
What we want is for each individual, regardless of their group, to have the same access to opportunity. Right?
To use your analogy again, the future we want is not to change our workouts to benefit the other arm preferentially so that we can have two arms be the same. Why? Because there’s new people coming to our workout classes all the time! If we now preferentially prefer the other arm, those new people are being unfairly treated.
Let’s say you have two infinitely large pitchers, and an infinite amount of water to pour into them.
Every day, you pour some water into the pitchers: one gallon into the left pitcher, and one ounce into the right pitcher. After doing this every day for over a hundred years, there’s quite a discrepancy in the amount of water in these pitchers.
Then, one day, you decide you’re no longer going to pour different amounts. From now on, you’ll pour one gallon into each pitcher every day. Exactly equal and perfectly fair, right?
Except, if your goal is to get the same amount of water into each pitcher, you’re never going to accomplish that this way. And then someone points out that the right pitcher is still a hundred years behind the left pitcher, and you reply with “well what do you want me to do about it? I’m pouring the same amount into both now.”
to call it a cycle is wildly disingenuous. on the one hand, black people were enslaved, separated from their familes, prevented from building wealth, murdered, and then enslaved again through targeted laws. but for black people to get preferential admission to college (and still be underrepresented), that’s comparable to doing all of the above to white people?
It’s about undoing the damage that has been done by the cruel policies of the past that led to the systematic differences we see today. Disadvantaged groups need help to be able to catch up to the rest. Affirmative action is a temporary measure to bridge the gap. Because these things change very slowly and over generational time frames it will be a long time this is needed, however.
So why would you want to do the same thing again, just to a different race? Two wrongs don’t make a right.
If I only work out my right arm for 2 years straight and then suddenly say “oh I’m going to now start doing the same, equal work out on my left” they don’t just suddenly become the same. You’d have to put more time and focus into the left for it to become equal to the right.
However if your honestly claiming that affirmative action = “doing the same thing again to a different race”, no analogy in the world is going to help you. Your ignorance is untreatable I’m afraid.
It’s the same level of understanding the solution as spez thinking editing the karma DB values makes him look good.
If the fix didn’t start at the ground, then it wasn’t a fix
We can’t solve the hiring/acceptance discrimination by forcing it, they first need to be at a competitive disadvantage by doing it, and then we target the discrimination that exists after that.
With the way it is right now it’s encouraging the stereotypes of minorities being lesser/incompetent because it expects them to compete with people who received much better training and practice. It’s downright cruel to expect them to succeed in that situation.
Copying from my response here, which I had made earlier to a different commenter who made a similar analogy: https://programming.dev/comment/440090
Let’s say you have two infinitely large pitchers, and an infinite amount of water to pour into them.
Every day, you pour some water into the pitchers: one gallon into the left pitcher, and one ounce into the right pitcher. After doing this every day for over a hundred years, there’s quite a discrepancy in the amount of water in these pitchers.
Then, one day, you decide you’re no longer going to pour different amounts. From now on, you’ll pour one gallon into each pitcher every day. Exactly equal and perfectly fair, right?
Except, if your goal is to get the same amount of water into each pitcher, you’re never going to accomplish that this way. And then someone points out that the right pitcher is still a hundred years behind the left pitcher, and you reply with “well what do you want me to do about it? I’m pouring the same amount into both now.”
What an interesting excuse for racism
This is just going to be a fundamental disagreement here bud. What you call racism, many people call justifiable restitution.
Which then feeds the targeted groups claim of racial discrimination, continuing the cycle.
That these feel good “solutions” work for you is a large part of why the problem still exists.
to call it a cycle is wildly disingenuous. on the one hand, black people were enslaved, separated from their familes, prevented from building wealth, murdered, and then enslaved again through targeted laws. but for black people to get preferential admission to college (and still be underrepresented), that’s comparable to doing all of the above to white people?
It’s about undoing the damage that has been done by the cruel policies of the past that led to the systematic differences we see today. Disadvantaged groups need help to be able to catch up to the rest. Affirmative action is a temporary measure to bridge the gap. Because these things change very slowly and over generational time frames it will be a long time this is needed, however.