I’m both curious and personally invested on what their outlook on refugees would look like. I’ve definitely considered the possibility of having to flee to Canada as a trans woman, but I guess the question is how legitimately I’d be able to enter the country and whether I’d have to go into hiding once I get there.
Right now, yeah a trans person can seek asylum in Canada. But the leader of the Conservative Party is a culture war fashy type not too dissimilar from Ron Desantis. If he gets in, it’ll be dark days north of the border too.
As an American, please nuke us if Trump wins the next election.
I have some bad news for you.
I don’t blame them. As an American I’m mulling the same.
I just hope their plan includes an asylum path for Americans sick of this doubling-down on ignorance. Not to say Canada isn’t without their dumb dumbs either…
Trade Alberta out. It’s been stinging to join the parade of idiots.
Smith and Ford give enthusiastic, limp-wristed waves.
We’ve got our dumb-dumbs, and they’re definitely importing some culture war bullshit from you guys, but the party they fall in behind (Progressive Conservatives) is closer to democrats than the republicans, in general.
If?
Also, they might wanna check inside Canada. Current leader of the Conservative party of Canada has been flirting with extremists. Seen palling around with people who want trans folks dead. Bringing up abortion debate. The man is dangerous and if allowed to continue then it’s going to end up turning us into another American state. I’d like that not to happen. I’m tired of having to justify my existence as a gay man to people like him.
Fix our own shit please.
Total tangent, but: the famous Stamets from Risa is also Canadian? 😀
famous Stamets
You know I’m still trying to decide if being recognized constantly is a good or a bad thing lol
But yep. I’m Canadian, eh! Or b’y if you wanna be more accurate to my roots.
roots
Mycelium*
Oh a Newfie! 😀 I’m in / from Toronto but my dad’s side of the family are all Acadian from Nova Scotia. (That’s not me being an ignorant Torontonian assuming NS and Newfoundland are the same thing, just acknowledging they’re both that side of Canada 😂)
You’re being recognised for providing people with entertainment and joy. I’d say that’s a good thing! You’ve certainly provided me (and my friends by extension) with a ton of entertainment. To that point, if you message me your details I’ll e-transfer you $50 as thanks for all your good works.
All good! Nova Scotia and NFLD have a lot in common anyway. I’m in Toronto too actually. Have been for a few years now, for better or worse.
I can’t take credit for anything I post. Just stuff I’ve collected over the years and finally found a place to share it. I mean I can’t say that $50 is unappealing or unhelpful but I don’t make the posts for money or thanks or anything. Just like seeing people talking about Star Trek and I like helping people laugh. The world sucks and if I can be part of the day being a little better then awesome.
I like helping people laugh. The world sucks and if I can be part of the day being a little better then awesome.
With this sentiment, you’ve already made my day a little better. That’s something that I also try for myself and it’s nice to see others expressing a similar view.
I’ve been through too much shit to do anything else. I’m not always the best at it and sometimes I can fuck up severely or just be an asshole. But I try. All you can do, right?
Similar here. Have been lucky but have also been unemployed and couch surfing. Hope you’re doing well.
You two have fulfilled all of my stereotypes today, this was a lovely conversation below.
May your day be as lovely as you are <3
Hope that involves a plan for letting lgbt folks immigrate to safety instead of apologizing 80 years later like they did to the casualties of Nazi Germany who were denied safe passage
I’ve heard Canadians claiming they’re already letting LGBT folks from the US achieve refugee status, but that’s strange because Canada has a treaty with the US explicitly stating that they can’t take in refugees arriving from the US. So it seems like Canadian citizens think they’re taking in LGBT refugees from the US, and will likely be confused and push back when people try to tell them that Canada literally can’t take US refugees without the refugee doing a big, long legal song and dance. So my guess is that the Canada is going to claim they’re already doing it (when they don’t actually seem to) and then apologize again in 80yrs.
Edit: y’all wanna tell me how I’m wrong? As someone who’s head will probably be on the chopping block should republicans win the next election, I would really like to know if I can count on Canada not turning me around should I find myself having to show up at the border with my belongings.
I would love to say that I have hope that Canada will be willing to break that treaty, but Canada is still financially dependent on the US, not to mention that people who care a lot about “muh Canadian identity” would definitely be against taking Americans.
Honestly I think secessionism has more of a chance than Americans being let into Canada.
not to mention that people who care a lot about “muh Canadian identity” would definitely be against taking Americans.
I know someone who’s non-binary that’s moved to Canada (I think it was on a work visa), and they’ve talked about how Canada has been very welcoming to them in regards to their gender. However, they’ve also said that they’re very glad that their coworkers have either forgotten, or aren’t aware that they’re American because they’ve heard nothing but hate and vitriol towards Americans. No sympathy towards LGBT Americans, no sympathy towards BIPOC Americans, just generally “fuck Americans, they deserve everything that’s happening to them”.
That wasn’t something I was expecting to hear, and it seriously hurt my view of Canada and my hopes that Canada might act as a safe harbor towards LGBT and BIPOC Americans in the future (assuming republicans succeed with Project 2025).
Canada won’t be as eager to take US refugees as you hope. I can’t think of a small population dealing with massive refugee inflows from a place that much larger. Think of how destabilising the refugee migrations from Syria were on Europe. Lots of LGBT and sympathetic cases of course but lots of crazy and the amount of entitlement would be overwhelming.
The rest of the industrialised worried will have angry Americans in their faces screaming about their first and second amendment rights every day if there is an exodus.
Or women who no longer have control over their own bodies and physical health
The people we accept as refugee’s today live on the streets. You’d be better off pretending to be straight than moving to Canada now days. Doesn’t matter how accepting the government can be if they can’t actually govern and throw all the reigns of power over to corporations.
Dump money into military spending, border control, and refugee assistance.
There is no amount of military spending that could protect Canada from the US. The military gap is obscene.
It makes no sense to ratchet up military spending
The US military itself, yeah probably not…But a group of renegade Americans headed North we might be able to do something about.
I meant in the context of self defense because it cannot rely on the US, not that the US would attempt some kind of attack on Canada.
That makes sense
Weaponize the geese
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I don’t think the context is so much military related but rather diplomatic and economic.
Does the last sentence really come as an obvious conclusion from the first two?
I believe the opportunity cost of increasing military production does not seem to be worth it, so it follows to me.
Theres other considerations beyond state to state war with the US.
I’m not Canadian and don’t actually have an opinion, but here’s other reasons they might increase their defense budget because of US destabilization. Decreased global stability due to loss of neighboring super power. Non state actors like terrorists or refugees leaving the US.
I don’t think that Canada will be fighting the New Confederacy or the New England Union of Democratic Socialists in 2028, but there are still reasons that a diminished US would mean Canada should spend new money on defense.
Military spending on what though? The CAF is woefully dependent on the US for basically everything. Hell they probably could turn off those F-35s by pressing a button.
I meant in the context of general self-reliance because Canada may not be able to rely on the US.
That’s a fair point, but does Canada have a geopolitical enemy? I genuinely don’t know enough about Canadian politics, and this is a real question.
University of Ottawa national-security professor Thomas Juneau said many Canadians might find it far-fetched to talk about Washington falling drastically out of step with Canada.
Let’s also pay some attention to the fact that Canada may be about to fall drastically in step with the US Republicans at the next election.
Even if the PCs get elected, they’re basically democrats if you look at the policy positions and set aside the stupid culture wedges they like to grab onto
The democrats are pretty fucking bad though. Nothing like the Republicans domestically but in foreign policy, which is more relevant to us foreigners, they might be even bigger warmongers.
Why wouldn’t Canada and the rest of the world fall in step? The same environmental and economic pressures exist everywhere. Again, not as bad as in the US, but it’s going to get worse everywhere.
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The plan: join them as they always do.
Uh? How bad does it have to get? We’re already there.
We need electoral reform to avoid the same in Canada. The official opposition is actively siding with fascists.
And just like the Democrats in the USA, the Liberals don’t seem to recognize the danger. The middle of the road will never save us from the far right.
They’re about 40 years late on the draw, there
I mean, Canada might get there first, right? I feel like we both are not doing so hot.
Yeah the US actually currently has a better quality of life than Canada. Those migrating here should be careful what they wish for. Life in Canada is really hard
If the country famous for shooting kids twice a day has a better QOL, things sound pretty rough.
I like traveling and I was like oh Canada has so much open land, maybe I should look into traveling and the housing there, and I was completely blown away by the unbelievable cost and just practical shortage. Truly the best of luck to you guys.
Are there any housing policies coming out anytime soon that might address those problems?
I’m just going to keep traveling.
Is it them taking a hard right authoritarian shift?
No. Canada is centre-left and backed by mid left. The right and far right parties will never have enough seats to go without challenge. Most of the authoritarian parties are far right fringe parties that will like see no more than a handful of seats.
You should take another look at what the CPC is focusing on. At their convention this month they voted on what to focus on as a party; two anti-trans policies passed the policy for affordable housing did not. Is the CPC as far right as the US Republican party, no they’re not, but Poilievre is happy to court people who are. Also he won’t answer non-vetted questions which is a different issue but still rubs me the wrong way.
And more horrifyingly: polling might not mean much this far out, but right now, the CPC is leading. Big. Skippy is terrifying, and terrifyingly close to power.
Only you guys can help your democracy internally. Never fail to vote, get your friends voting and obviously never vote for conservatives.
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