• ghost_laptop@lemmy.ml
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    1 year ago

    We like Lula, not Bolsonaro or Trump. It’s such a suspiciuous coincidence that all liberals don’t know how to read.

    By the the way, did you know in Argentina leftists call right wingers liberals? It’s funny how our right wing is your left wing.

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      1 year ago

      We, left-wingers, like Lula.

      Right wingers aren’t liberal and never will be, even though they’ve tried to steal that term many many times. From leaders like Lula actually. I’m pretty sure he can read.

      It is funny that tankies are like reactionary right wingers, just pretending not to be

      (or maybe think they aren’t 🤔)

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        1 year ago

        Liberalism, being inextricably intertwined with capitalism, is a right-wing ideology. Tankies are often on the objectively wrong side of an issue, but that’s because, like fascists and conservatives, they are reactionaries.

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          Capitalism is inherently authoritarian and hierarchical, thus the antithesis of liberal.

          The term has seen hijack attempts with economic “liberalism” and neo-“liberalism”.

          Otherwise on point. Thank you for the addition.

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            Liberalism generated the concept of ‘laissez-faire’, which is the basis of modern capitalist thought. While liberal philosophy is greatly concerned with the concept of rights, it is not at all concerned with the concepts of equity or moderation, both of which must be addressed in order to challenge capitalism. You seem to have a misinformed view of what the ideology entails.

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              No I do not. I just give more value to it’s essence and not the bastardizations it has been tried to associate with to benefit the power structures.

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                  That was already debunked.

                  Capitalism is a separate concept, trying to abuse liberalism. Free markets, economic “liberalism” are just marketing, leading to inverse effects, limiting/stifling/lessening freedom/liberty/liberalism.

                  There is no liberty or equality as they are known in liberalism under the hierarchy of capital. Poor people aren’t at liberty or free. Not even high income workers. Only those who own the lower classes have the power to be free.

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                    Hasn’t been debunked by you or anybody, because it is true. Liberalism is what liberals say it is, and liberals say capitalism is liberalism. Really doesn’t matter what you think.