President says ‘epidemic of gun violence is tearing our communities apart’ after mass shootings in Philadelphia, Fort Worth, Baltimore and Chicago

  • Rhoeri@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    It isn’t misleading at all. A gun death is a gun death to anyone who doesn’t have a bias.

    • Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca
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      1 year ago

      It’s just many of those deaths probably would have occurred anyways wether there is a gun ban or not.

      There are lots of ways to commit suicide, guns are just convenient. Now some of those deaths probably wouldn’t have happened because they may be spur of the moment decisions in a dark period, but many still would have.

      Not like the deaths of children who find their parents gun in the closet or the deaths of 5+ people in a grocery store with an automatic weapon.

      • moistclump@lemmy.world
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        1 year ago

        Damn you’re cold. That’s 21,782 people’s lives we’ll never get back. Just this year. And we’re going to sit here debating whether their life is worth including.

        • TrontheTechie@infosec.pub
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          1 year ago

          No empathy like conservative empathy.

          These disingenuous folks will tell you these folks would’ve killed themselves anyways, but they say nothing about the fact that most people kill themselves over financial or medical hardship while they shrink the social safety net to be just big enough to catch CEOs with golden parachutes.

    • Thorny_Thicket@sopuli.xyz
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      1 year ago

      Bias? The point is that you’re not as likely to just be randomly shot at the street as those statistics might make it to seem.

      • moistclump@lemmy.world
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        1 year ago

        For me, it’s not about fear it’s about empathy. Seeing that number I didn’t think “oh no I’m going to get shot.” I thought, “that’s a lot of lives lost and families and friends impacted for the rest of their lives. A lot of permanent loss for the country. How can we have a meaningful impact that number?”

        • Thorny_Thicket@sopuli.xyz
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          1 year ago

          Yeah no I 100% agree that those numbers are insane and if it was my country I’d definitely want something done about it.

          It’s just that these statistics are often pulled out when talking about mass shootings for example and in that context including suicides and gang violence is a bit misleading in my opinion especially when the “true” numbers are just as horrific on their own.