Why? They already receive 2 billion a year from us, are ranked one of the highest in world economies and already have a strong military.
We build the iron dome rockets. So far 4000 rockets have been fired at israel
That doesn’t really answer the question, I don’t think
You print money which they use to buy your stock, rinse & repeat.
By stock you mean military stock, munition, right?
Oi, it ain’t hamburgers.
7s allocations for Israel must be spent in US Companies. IDK, if Israell already spent this year’s allocations, but they did buy some F35s and those are expensive.
But like why are we paying them to buy shit from the military industrial complex?
Because its less sus than just giving free money to the military industry that spends lots of money on bribes.
It iS doing just that, though, with the added “bonus” of helping a heinously oppressive ethnostate kill and starve innocent civilians.
Yeah, but you have to got through hoops to maintain a veneer of a democratic and meritocratic system. Not for those who care to pay any attention to what’s going on, just good enough to keep those who rather not pay attention to that. And you don’t even need a majority to believe it, or even the majority within a party: just enough that people can be convinced that at least a majority within one party believes it.
It’s like a stimulus because the economy is make believe that somehow works
for that you have to go back to the six day war, I think. The US brokered the peace and everybody got something. That’s why Egypt builds US designed tanks.
I would say 0 for Israel. They can pay for their own mess. This shit is because of their own actions.
While I think we give enough military help to Israel, so that it is strange to give more, implying that it is only their making, and absolving Hamas from responsibility is intellectually dishonest. From 2005 Gaza was not occupied by Israel, in fact, Israel removed forcefully Jewish settlements around that time. And Hamas came to power (2006?) forcefully removing all political opponents, and has literal destruction of Israel as their main policy openly for years. It conducted many terrorist acts, including the latest horrific act. But no, it is of course only Israeli doing.
My man, look at the Palestinian territory before and after 1948.
If not for the atrocities of Israel, the atrocious Hamas would not exist. You can try and bothsides away the oppression and genocide all you want, but that’s an indisputable fact.
Ok you’re right let’s also give Hamas $0 so it’s fair.
Hint: that’s already how much we have given them.
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Iran helps them a lot.
And why should we give the same amount. One is more or less democratic state. Another is jihadist terrorist organization whose goals are to destroy the democratic state. You claiming moral equality here somehow? Sorry, does not work for me.
So you realize how that’s worse, right? You think it’s better for a democratic state to be committing Genocide? That’s saying you’re cool with it because the people voted for Genocide. How is that something we should give money to?
Both want to destroy each other. They’re both fucked. We should not be giving money to either group committing war crimes. We can support the civilians caught in the middle, that is great. We could do something to attempt to stop the war crimes such as maybe stop the concentration camps that are being leveled by bombs, but that would take convincing Israel to stop stealing land which is like convincing Russia to stop stealing land.
There are a lot I can things criticize Israel for, but genocide in Gaza is not. I can not call their past actions or present actions as genocide. Israel is in horrible situation now and has to choose within availabile options which vary from horrible to absolutely horrible. Israel can not just not react to what was done to it, but ANY reaction is called genocide by many of its critics for the sake of either propaganda or simply not being intellectually honest and objective about the situation.
How many of the Palestinians get to vote in said democratic state
Ask Hamas who canceled elections in Gaza. Israeli Arabs vote and have representation in the parliament.
One thing for sure. No matter what happens, someone will blame it on the Jews. Even Jews blame it on the Jews.
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Because apparently the world works like Star Trek planets where only an entire race occupies a specific area and there’s no room for diversity in this fucking discussion or any other discussion involving nuances like the Israel-Palestine conflict.
Did you reply to the wrong post?
Not at all. Someone wants to blame the Jews for being brutalized by Hamas, saying it was their action,
Israel is a country, not a religion.
Let’s be just a little realistic. Its a county of Jews.
Hi. Jewish person here. Israel is a country with many religions, but Jews dominate. There are Christians and Muslims (but not Palestinians) in the Knesset. Also, I’m an American, not an Israeli. I hold no allegiance to Israel, have no interest in visiting, and do not want to do anything to support an apartheid regime. Do not associate me with Israel.
You know that equating the actions of an oppressive apartheid state with all Jews is EXTREMELY antisemitic, right? 🤦
Not sure how else you think they are going to win the argument. Justify Israel’s actions? No! Everyone who disagrees is antisemitic. Problem solved.
Right right I forgot that Judaism’s the first and only location and government based religion where you are only Jewish when in a specific location and agreeing with a specific government. And also that Palestinians don’t exist. God how could all of that slipped my mind.
Help Israel achieve what exactly? Bomb more hospitals?
Edit: sorry guys it looks like a bomb just so happened to hit a hospital just out of sheer luck 🥴 and Israel (who has been bombing Gaza ever since I was born basically) did not bomb Gaza. What really happened was that Bush did 9/11.
https://apple.news/AQDY3rrESTsimmExR1thtpg
It has link to video, which I recommend to watch. It show a rocket breaking over the hospital and then explosion. This is Arab source.
Al Jazeera is disagreeing and stating that it’s Israel. Sorry, Israel has the onus to disprove the claims considering they’ve bombed hospitals in the past.
That’s untrue as far as I can see. You linked to a live blog, nowhere on that page currently did it mention the al-ahi hospital story, I scrolled down quite a ways. There was an article in the opinion section by someone unaffiliated with Al Jazeera maybe you’re referencing?
From Al Jazeera itself most up to date story on it I can find is this article, where both versions of the stories are stated and Al Jazeera continues to say it cannot independently verify either account.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/18/what-do-we-know-about-the-strike-on-the-hospital-in-gaza
See other comments.
Even Al Jazeera’s footage shows that was a misfire from Gaza. That’s what happens when you make rockets out of water pipes.
That link doesn’t seem to have anything about the hospital?
I’m talking about this live footage from Al-Jazeera in Gaza. Here’s the same rocket apparently recorded by the IDF.
It landed in the parking lot btw, not the hospital. The ‘500 casualties’ count from Hamas is obviously false then.
Scroll down. They are literally saying the opposite. Look at the post made at 0300 GMT. Your links are coming straight from Israel, and all we have is a video in the arabic Al Jazeera clip. There is no explicit confirmation. We don’t also have an official confirmation from any 3rd party neutral investigation outside of the “US intelligence” stating that this is a Hamas rocket.
Oh and don’t forget about the deleted IDF tweets. Omission of truth doesn’t mean something didn’t happen. :-)
And while you’re at it, take a peek at the rest of the feed and see how Palestinians are getting killed.
Quote from Al Jazeera stating the exact opposite.
“This really does fit perfectly into a pattern of Israeli war crimes in which they have bombed civilian infrastructure and residential areas and schools and hospitals.
One campaign against Gaza after the other they’ve done the same: In 2014, they did the same in 2008 and 2009. So it would be nothing new here except the particular death toll.
The scale of it, in this particular strike, seems to be much more significant than any previous strike. But the action itself is unsurprising.
We’ve had human rights organisations documenting in the past indiscriminate killings and Israeli bombings of civilian areas and, most critically, we’ve seen time and again the Israeli government simply lie about responsibility for its crimes.
And deflections – trying to blame Palestinians – as recently as last year with the killing of Al Jazeera journalist Shireen Abu Akleh, where Israel tried to pin it on the Palestinians but it turned out to, obviously, be Israel.”
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Why? Israel should let members of the International community, particularly, the ICC in so that they can investigate this and other war crimes being reported by news agencies and the Palestinian authorities.
Did you even look through the feed that I posted as part of my previous comment? If you have and yet you still claim that IDF isn’t capable of such atrocities, you’re being willfully ignorant. Or should I remind you that Palestinians are running out of water because Israel though it would be a good idea to besiege Gaza and collectively punish everybody there.
https://www.newsweek.com/deleted-israeli-video-adds-confusion-around-gaza-hospital-blast-1835596
Haven’t looked at the news lately?
I was going to actually reply to you but you are just a fucking troll who thinks criticizing anything Israel does is blaming shit on Jews and whoever speaks against Israel is an anti-semite. Just FYI you are not helping anyone by just calling people antisemitic for being outraged about war crimes.
US Senators just got their intelligence briefing on the hospital bombing and reported it was their belief it wasn’t Israel. Bit you go ahead and bad mouth me for not agreeing with you.
The US federal government has never lied about anything ever.
I’d like $160 billion in rent controls/homebuyer’s subsidies, subsidized childcare, or universal healthcare. Or all of them.
“If you wanted some of that $160 billion, you should have been born rich enough to not need it”
For-profit bombs is a deeply fucked concept. It should never, ever be profitable to kill people, intentionally or accidentally.
But the only immoral thing to a neoliberal is not maximising profits, so they’re just throbbing with anticipation for the next quarterly earnings report because the return on killing children is incredible.
How about war? Would you like some war instead?
How about 2 wars? The more the better, isn’t it?
Maintaining Israel’s nuclear arsenal and state of the art military doesn’t come cheap when you’re using it on a population that’s 50% children and armed with rocks, small arms and the odd shoulder-fired rocket.
…sorry - I neglected to mention the Palestinian airforce… That single paraglider really put the fear of god into those Israelis.
Funding a genocide is fucking inexcusable - doubly so when Israel has been signalling this intent for years, and supporting Hamas to create this exact pretext. With all his union business, Biden might have had a great legacy - this puts any chance of that to rest.
Most of that is probably to prevent the actually powerful neighboring countries from crushing them. You know, like they tried to do several times in the past.
How does having hostile neighbours justify a genocide in the open air concentration camp they’re maintaining?
It was supposed to be 100b for just Ukraine originally. So happy (/s) to see that our involvement in the never-ending Israeli-Palestinian feud is sapping our resources for a morally unambiguous conflict that can actually be resolved.
The issue is that 100B budget was never going to pass because of GOP grifting, but if you include israel in the package it’s likelihood of easy acceptance goes up. It’s also not like this budget request is the only way ukraine is going to get funded.
We’ve always been at war with Oceana.
Nothing ambiguous about it, really. It’s a conflict between despotic oppressors and terrorists who mistakenly believe that gives them a right to be absolute monsters, with most of the victims being killed belonging to neither group.
To openly support the apartheid regime led by Netanyahu and other absolute monsters with more money than the entire GDP of Palestine is no better than funding Putin’s abominable invasion would be.
Yeah, I think there are a few standing hospitals in Gaza. Please send Israel more money and rockets.
I think when the US Defense Intelligence Agency asses that it did not come from Israel you can more or less count on it. They can see those kinds of things. But, for sure some people, like you, can’t escape their bias.
The only reason Israel is able to imprison an entire people is because of the US greenlighting it, and here you are insinuating that we should turn to them to figure out what’s going on.
Fool.
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Yeah because the US government has always told the absolutely unbiased truth about the atrocities of Israel! 🤡
“there’s no money for healthcare”
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Defense manufacturing will legitimately resurrect the US economy if they fire back up the various dusty munitions factories all over the States that were shuttered due to defense reallocations the past decade.
We should not be involved at all in Israel on either side of the entire conflict (apart from providing humanitarian aid where we can), just give all $100B to Ukraine.
then how is our political class going to funnel tax money back to themselves?
are you heartless? Biden’s vacation home isn’t going to build itself
This is the best summary I could come up with:
WASHINGTON — Top congressional lawmakers are beginning to receive details of a new funding package the Biden administration is expected to submit to Congress this week.
NBC News reported Tuesday that the administration plans to submit the roughly $100 billion supplemental funding request to Congress in the coming days.
While the money for munitions is expected to be attached to the Ukraine funding request, these sources said the weapons could be used for various purposes, with the Middle East as a point of discussion.
The timing remains fluid, but a possible reason some details could come Wednesday is that the administration would want to catch senators while they’re still in town, said a lawmaker and an aide.
President Joe Biden said Wednesday, a day after a deadly Gaza hospital blast that has fueled protests across the Middle East, that he was preparing to ask Congress for an “unprecedented support package for Israel’s defense” during his trip to Tel Aviv.
The Hamas-run Palestinian Health Ministry said 471 people were killed in what it called a “targeted” Israeli bombing of al-Ahli Baptist Hospital in central Gaza.
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